Look, Mozilla people, I know you complained about the pie charts that I put up at WWDC last week showing Mozilla being erased from the browser market in the near future. I know you resent the fact that Apple is a big powerful company and you're just a bunch of amateurs who've had some luck hacking together a browser that is, let's be honest, pretty darn good. But guys, think about this. You've been in the market for 20 years now and you've got 15% market share. You've given it your best shot, and the market has voted, and you've lost. I know it hurts to hear this. But you've lost. Now it's our turn. I guarantee you we'll do a better job than you've done. And fair enough, I did recently admit that I use Firefox. I only said that to get my guys fired up. And it worked. They are determined to crush you. Sorry. I'm sure you'll find work elsewhere. I hear the Debian team needs some fresh blood. Peace out.
Monday, June 18, 2007
Mozilla, it is time for you to die
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Wow. I only just made the connection between your demand to make Safari better and the release of Safari 3.0...
My mind has just been blown.
I don't think it won't go without a fight though. I really don't like it for Mac, though I do like it for windows... sorta. Let's just say it's better than IE and leave it at that.
not only that, but your and my favorite geek girlfriend wanna-be (next to bike helmet girl, of course), veronica belmont, is dissn' the iphone, saying 'not the real internet because no flash or java.'
plus her , made her get a really stupid, unflattering haircut. ugh. she needs to trade up, quick. howzabout you and i arm wrassle for her?
Man, I couldn't believe it when I saw those slides on the WWDC keynote stream.
My first thought was literally, "Oh, snap, Jobs just bitchslapped the entire indie browser scene."
That was half a second after the original pie chart, when I genuinely thought to myself, "I wonder how much of a chunk he's thinking of taking out of IE,"
Oh. Apparently none. Apparently his beef is with Moz, Opera, and the other indies.
Could. Not. Believe it.
Jobso, say it ain't so! Your crossing the line from hard-nosed succeed-at-all-costs leader (a la Dr. Doom) to becoming insane tyrant (a la George Bush). You're a visionary, a leader, an innovator. Don't crap on little guys, be a rallying point. Unite the indies and the freetards (albeit as your mindless puppets) and have THEM lead the charge against IE. You'll still look clean to MS, and you'll knock the Beastmaster down one or two pegs!
So, how long have you been in computer market and what's your market share again?
Mozilla, Schmozilla .....
I use a Mac when I can and a Windows PC when I have to. When I use the Windows PC I sometimes have the freedom to download Firefox and sometimes not. Right now I have to use totally locked-down Windows PC's that don't allow me to even sneeze.
So I haven't tried Safari for Windows yet. But I will, when I think it is safe. I am scared. During the "browser wars" of ten years ago, I downloaded a beta version of Netscape Navigator 6 for the Mac that was a total disaster. I don't just mean it didn't work, I mean it hosed my bookmarks, crashed my computer and worse. So some of the blame for Internet Exploder becoming the world's default browser may be the result of Microsoft's unfair practices, but Netscape (now aka Mozilla or Firefux) producing crap software did not help.
Who was that calling 15% market share a "loss?"
Ben and anonymous must be from Yelp.
The pie chart was pretty tactless, Steve. Sorry, but it was.
But Mozilla's idea of revenge--that guy coming out with "Steve Jobs had a blurry view of the real world"--was lame.
Since Apple's font-smoothing is more correct than Microsoft's but less sharp--"blurry", if you like--I take it that's an in-joke meaning: "We at Mozilla prefer the way Windows renders fonts."
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/06/12.html
There's only one answer to that. It's: "If you prefer the MS way it's because you lack taste."
When Apple need advice from Mozilla on graphic design?
Firefox is already dead, isn't it? http://www.irider.com/irider/
further... you know what's really lame? firefox on the mac os x. i mean, once you open a few tabs, you want to talk about performance on a 2 Ghz intel core2duo with 2 GBs ram slowing down to a snail's pace? sheesh. sucks in it s own lame suckitude, dude. plus something as simple as scrolling — for the last i don't know how many updates of firefox, if you hit the stupid down arrow key to scroll down and keep reading in firefox, what does it do? jumps all the way to the bottom of the web page, no matter how far down that is. lame, lame, lame-lame, lame, oh so lame. in safari, hit the down arrow, what does it do? just what you'd expect — scrolls down the page one line at a time. if you want faster, you hit command-key-down. you'd think after all the updates, firefox/mozilla would get something as pre-school simple as that. [channels john belushi voice:] but, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ...!!! in firefox for the mac os x, they should call the down arrow key the "down error key."
and by the by, where did mozilla/firefox come from? the ashes of what was once netscape. oh marc andreesen, won't you please come home? heh. not bloody likely, mate. when microsquish stomped them into the ground and the AOL-Time-Warner merger didn't pan out for them, and they went all open source thinking that was a good business model (try not to spend too much time rolling on the floor laughing over that one), this is the best they've been able to come up with. it's netscape with an open-tard face on it. lipstick on an ozarks pig. they already died once. someone just needs to let them know they need to stay dead. kudos to you for delivering the final blow.
oh, and what other software firm is doing this wonderful, stellar, money-making open source business model now? can you say my little pony, scooter and all of the dark star? yeah. good luck with that one, chums. follow in the lemming footsteps. shine on, you crazy diamonds.
Mike, thank you for making the font smoothing comment. Windows' handling of fonts on screen is nothing short of horrendous, across the board.
But yeah Steve, you should be shooting for a chunk of IE's marketshare...not a piece of the third party market that has been struggling to survive so long against the monopoly.
And let's not get into an OS marketshare discussion, because as we all know the Mac's share is ridiculously small due to a number of very poor decisions over the years. Correct them, then you can talk.
What's a mozilla?
The slide was more or less correct. The folks who use IE by default will still use IE. The ones that downloaded Firefox will be checking out Safari.
safari shld run on linux.... if mozilla has to die!
Dude why don't you take on the IE,....have u got what it takes...eww seems a little to big 4 ya :D.
Just one little slide and the Mozilla community thinks Big Mean Apple's out to get them.
What to do, what to do? B--ch and moan, lay down and die? Or how about get back to basics, lose the terrible faded jeans-inspired navigation icons, put your heads down, and keep the heck innovating.
If you can't innovate to stay ahead of the pack, get out of the kitchen. If you seriously think Apple's out to get you and leave Microsoft with the lion's share of the market (like it's doing with WMP, Zune, and even Windows, however slowly), maybe it _is_ time for you to die, 'cause you're obviously not thinking different anymore. Or at least, get a new exec or two and/or tell 'em to stop blogging nonsense.
I like you, FireFox, but I won't hesitate to drop you on a moment's notice if you start to suck. Just like any other app.
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