Wednesday, July 18, 2007

Don't be afraid, I just want to interoperate


Well this little mini drama between Microsoft and Red Hat continues, where Microsoft is trying to form a "partnership" for "interoperability" and Red Hat is freaking out because if makes any deal with Microsoft the nutbags in the Linux "community" will accuse Red Hat of selling out and making a deal with the enemy. See here. Basically Microsoft is doing its Eddie Haskell act and pretending it just wants to play nice and interoperate and do what's right for customers blah blah mwah mwah. You believe that? Me neither. So far Microsoft has rounded up all the other idiots in the Linux "market" (hard to call it a market but whatever) and got them to sign deals and agree, implicitly anyway, that their Linux stuff may infringe on Microsoft patents. Linspire, Xandros, Novell, and a bunch of embedded Linux guys have all bought tickets on the Redmond Railroad to secure "peace in our time."

Now Microsoft is closing in on Red Hat, forcing Red Hat's hand by saying that if Red Hat doesn't play ball with Microsoft it will look like a holdout, a radical, a weirdo freako company that doesn't want to put customers' needs ahead of its own socialist agenda. And until Red Hat signs a deal Microsoft will keep steering enterprise Linux business to Novell. Which, believe me, is starting to pinch Red Hat. Look at their last quarterly results. Their top line is growing, but check out their operating costs. They're working a lot harder to make their numbers. That's going to keep being a problem. Worse yet, very soon they're going to start suffering some real pain thanks to the GPLv3 which is going to mess up the entire operating system. This is why it sucks not to own any IP. This lack of control over its core product has always been the true Achilles' heel of Red Hat. They tried to present this as a virtue, talking about "flexibility" and "freedom." But at the end of the day if you don't make your own stuff you're at the mercy of the people who make it for you. Um, Red Hat shareholders and institutional investors? Let me introduce you to Richard Stallman, the man who actually controls your company. You're just as free as Richard says you can be.

So Microsoft just slowly coils itself around Red Hat (by making deals with everyone else in its space) and gently begins to squeeze. Ubuntu, the other holdout, is probably less worrisome because they're not really gaining much traction yet and Microsoft feels pretty sure on the desktop. (How else to explain the fact they're charging four hundred friggin bucks for the top version of Vista? Jesus.) Microsoft's real goal, the one that has consumed it for 20 years, is cracking into the data center. They thought they would take over the Unix market by now, using low-cost Windows servers to displace Sun, HP and IBM. Instead Linux zoomed in and took that market. In the world of Beastmaster Bill this just means it's going to take longer to get what he wants because there will be an extra hurdle to get over. But he'll get there. Wait and see. Red Hat will cave. They don't have a choice. All they're doing now is delaying and looking for a way to make a deal but save face with the freetards.

38 comments:

jimHere said...

I'm not British, but I loved that "Peace in our time" reference.

barryelectric said...

will no one litigate and force the beastmaster to show his hand -- to prove genuine, enforcable infringement ?? How is this different from SCO which the beastmaster was similarly behind ???

Anonymous said...

Red Hat is incorporated, so by law they have to make decisions that serve the corporate (business) interests, rather than the freetard ideology. The freetards might as well save their breath.

Everson Menezes said...
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vaporland said...

"Redmond Railroad" - doesn't that run alongside the "Hershey Highway"?

Anonymous said...

You're forgetting that Red Hat actually does own a lot of code and employ core coders (they own the copyright) and seem, anyways, to be relying on the GPLv3 to get back at Novell and the other stupid companies for misusing their code. Compare Red Hat employees' responses to GPLv3 to Novell employees'.

"very soon they're going to start suffering some real pain thanks to the GPLv3 which is going to mess up the entire operating system"

Yet you don't explain why you think that.

Jon said...

Hello FSJ

This outcome is a possibility, but projects like Samba are going to move to GPLv3, and that is quite a big deal.

Also, enough of the "freetard", or these guys will get really pissed off:

http://www.opensource.apple.com/

You can't have it both ways: save masses of money using Free software and then slagging the programmers off. Well maybe you can, but you'd be an absolute tool to do so.

Jason said...

Welcome back, FSJ.

After no post yesterday - I was starting to get worried.

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Steven G. Harms said...

Awesome! Now GNU HURD will truly ascend its rightful place.

Urs said...

Don't forget that Mandriva, one of the only other worthy distributions is holding out as well.


And Microsoft suffered a blow when Dell began shipping consumer computers with ubuntu preinstalled.

DayNovo said...

Just goes to show it's always useful to have a healthy supply of patents up your sleeves.

On your cat and mouse photo is that a snake I see lurking in the grass? I wonder which player that could represent.

Anonymous said...

microsoft vs. red hat = NOBODY CARES

Anonymous said...

At some point, you'd think people would stop feeding the animals if all they get is squeezed to death. Go figure.

thejester said...

Last two articles, FSJ. only two in as many days, but as the saying goes: less is more.

Brilliant. More of this stuff and less of the trivia I say.

XWL said...

Is this Fake Steve Job's blog, or Fake Steve Ballmer's?

Debaucharist said...

Ummm... who's this new fsj? This guy is a yawn, I bet he is feeling the squeeze from all you frigtards trying to find his identity. STOP you are ruining it!!

faddah said...

hey, fakey-steve-o, did you get my e-mail (unrelated subject)?

where you been the last two days?

in any case, i know in the satire it's all apple vs. the world, we're better than anybody, they can all duke it out and kill each other off, etc.

but truthfully, besides the fact the basis of OS X (which i love, by the way, no lie), is Free BSD, which does fall under some of the GPL, i think you need to be a little more accepting of the little guys. plus, i'm rooting for 'em. the ones who have caved, from SUSE/Novell to the other linotards are cretins with no spine and were corporate lackeys who bought the distro and were sucking off its teat and not doing much for it anyhoozle. much as i couldn't stand the stench and grease enough to be in the same room as stallman (flea dip, anyone?), i really wish him, Torvalds, the FSF, BSD, Red Hat & Ubuntu would just pony up, get the big lawyers in the beastmaster's and screamy man's faces and say, "we call. show us the code you think is ripped off. put up or STFU."

be a big day for everyone, i think.

Anonymous said...

Of course the big fish will eat the little fish.

check out this article
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9027278&intsrc=hm_list

do you think it was an iMac or PC crap?

Gianni said...

* arr-humpf *
Fakey Stevey, do you need to be reminded that without free software there'd be no OS X?

The SCO thing dragged on way too long and only because IBM didn't want to go big guns for fear of being epitomized as the big corp crushing the small guy even tho' the whole world and his brother knew where the legal bills were being sent.

I disagree, less of this sanctimonious stuff, more trivia!

Vedang said...

is it just me, or has FSJ suddenly gone serious? that's some great piece of writing FSJ! Go Figure!

also, this is the first time I have ever seen you delete a comment. What did Jason say?

Anonymous said...

Ubuntu not gaining any traction? What you been smokin, hippie boy?! And yes, you are absolutely correct, GPLv3 sucks.

TomsRants said...

"...at the end of the day if you don't make your own stuff you're at the mercy of the people who make it for you."

Indeed, this can also apply to energy, food, and myriads of other consumer products. China is eating our lunch because globalist corporate megatards no longer want to pay US union wages to make stuff, when there are starving Indonesians willing to make that same stuff for $1 a day and no health insurance.

The freetard's creed is coming home to roost.

Anonymous said...

Ya, I thought there was something different about FSJ. It was like his voice changed, went higher, and his typically relentless wit was brought down 2 notches. Bring back the real fake steve jobs!!!

Anonymous said...

Hey Freetardites,

FreeBSD has a FreeBSD license. Check it out: FreeBSD Summary

Essentially it means you can download it, use it, modify it, all without some freetard looking over your shoulder.

"BSD code can be used in any fashion desired, including in proprietary products. The ``English'' version of the license is effectively that you can do anything you want with the code, but if you use BSD code you can't sue anybody - you have no warranty and none of the developers has any liability."

"This means you can take any BSD-licensed code and include it in your own proprietary products. You do not even have to make anyone aware that you are using BSD code. You do not have to make your source code available."


Fakey Stevey indeed!

Peace out.

freetard said...

Hi fellow anonymous;

Yep! Us "freetards" call those kinds of licenses BSD licenses, or permissive free software licenses. You can read more about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_license

Just as you said, that means you can download the source code and modify it. With a *BSD style open source license, you don't even have to keep it open source.

I'm not sure what you were trying to imply, though. If it wasn't free and open source, you never could have modified the source code to begin with... and making your version no longer open source doesn't remove the BSD license from the original code.

There's a great "Preview" feature when you comment. You can use it to read your comment and see if it makes sense. Thinking about what you are going to type before you start is a good idea, too.

David W. said...

Why does linux have a 1% market share? Oh yeah..

Hetz said...

Dear FSJ,
Donno what you're smoking, but you might to look at USPTO again regarding Red Hat's IP..
They DO have some IP, specially when it comes to embedded stuff..

Look deep, deeper.. Now look at Windows Mobile 6 and look again at Red Hat's IP.. the morons from Microsoft will wake up someday and do 1+1...

Anonymous said...

Most people overlook the most important aspect of the contract Microsoft signed with Novell. The most important aspect is that it expires in 5 years! What happens when it expires? Novell will have to start paying royalties to Microsoft. At that time they can't suddenly say they are not using Microsoft's IP. Novell already acknowledged it and got millions from Microsoft for it.

This is a common theme in any Microsoft contract. Struggling companies looking for a short-term gain fall prey to Microsoft's long-term strategy.

Anonymous said...

That must be funny?

Anonymous said...

interesting point, anonymous. Microsoft will always win in the long term. They can afford immense patience. I also thought Linucks was not adopting GPLv3?

PS you freetard penguin loving furries are sooooo easy to bait. Microsoft has stated they have no interest in litigation so you can "lawyer up" all you want. It is RedHat's own customers who want the interoperability - that's why FSJ is absolutely right they will jump on that train. Effing freetards.

Anonymous said...

Above - anonymous said...
"Red Hat is incorporated, so by law they have to make decisions that serve the corporate (business) interests ..."

That is a bit simplistic ! but it would be an interesting case in the courts, should it get there, as - how does one define corporate (business) interests $$$ projected into the future, (long term/short term gains or losses) when a sub and preceding issue that is still at variance with itself and is not resolved, and thus would affect the latter case of "not" acting in the interests of the share holders.

Surely the undetermined case that manifestly decides the corporate (business) interests $$$ of not only one business, but a plurality of others determines the latter.

Before Red Hat or others are possibly slain on the MS altar, It has to be determined if they do or do not hold rights to any relevant code.

I duno ... I always feel that the semantics are up for discussion.

zaxzan

Anonymous said...

Dear 'freetard',

My response was to those who inferred that the Unix subsystem of mac osx was under GPL. If it were, FSJ would have to reveal their modifications to that code to make osx. As we both agree Apple is not obliged to do so, regardless of the cries to the contrary.

I am glad that you discovered wikipedia. By the way, the internet has a wonderful feature called hyperlinks which are underlined text that lead to another page that the author thought might have some relavance.

If you followed the link I included in my comment you would have known that I already knew what you learned from wiki.

Would you please tell me more of this magic "Preview" feature and how has it worked out for you.

Peace out.

dpuryear said...

There are some good points in the article and in the responses.

Personally, I think Microsoft is hedging its bets with this strategy. If Linux continues to play such a large role in the data center (and I think it will), and if it makes any headway on the desktop, then Microsoft has involvement in the Linux community.

If Linux falters, then these agreements can be used as very powerful leverage.

--
Dustin Puryear
Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"
http://www.puryear-it.com

Anonymous said...

nothing you think has interest.


Linux Kernel, samba project, GNU project will adopt the GPL3 to protect from new type of predatory actions (to monetarize and proprietarize works of others)

the gpl3 is not a problem for redhat.

it is a problem for people trying to sell restricted use of linux thanks to patent or with a remote web interface.

Redhat is selling the puzzle and services. they don't care about the GPL3 or 2 or whatever.

redhat has patent in association with others industrials, they use them to protect the openess of the source code. The gpl3 is an other tool to get the same result : to KEEP the code source _OPEN_ whatever some misguided contributors could do.

and in the end, it's not your right to predict whatever. the people deciding are the authors of the thousands of project making Linux, freebsd, some part of Os X , solaris and others stuff.


Linux Kernel
Gnu project
Samba
Apache Foundation
PHP
Apple Cups
Mozilla Foundation
GNome foundation
KDE
Sun Openoffice
BSD
X
IBM
Novell

and many others. all that stuff is made by very different people under different licences and goal.

the whole industry is a lot of more complex than 20 years ago.

Anonymous said...

some part of os x are under GPL and soon under GPL3

not a big deal for Apple, they always committed their modifications.

-

you know.. using some others sources code under some contract (or "licence") is very common in the industry. very

not weird

it can be some "gnu public licence" code, some "bsd " code or MIT or IBM code undert contract or Nvidia code, it's not a big deal. Apple get them, respect the contract and so on.

nothing to fuss about.

and FSJ, the freetards are the ones owning parts of code in iphone and os x. maybe it's time to engage them too.

"Apple, the enterprise entirely made of freetards"

ashhar said...

Thank you for the wonderful effort

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هذى معـالم خرس كـل واحـدة * منهن قامت خطيبـا فاغرا فـاه
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ashhar said...

Thank you for the wonderful effort

إني تذكـرت والذكرى مؤرقـة * مجـداً تلـيدا بأيـدينا أضعـناه
أنَّى اتجهتَ للإسـلام في بـلـدٍ * تجْده كالطيرِ مقصـوصًا جناحـاه
كـم صرفتنا يـدٌ كنـا نـصرفها * وبات يـملكنا شعب مـلكناه
بالله سل خلف بحر الروم عن عرب * بالأمس كانوا هنا واليوم قد تاهوا
وانزل دمشق وسائل صخر مسجدها * عمن بناه لعل الـصخر ينعـاه
هذى معـالم خرس كـل واحـدة * منهن قامت خطيبـا فاغرا فـاه
الله يعلم ما قلبت سـيرتهم يومـا
* وأخطـأ دمـع الـعين مـجراه
يا من يرى عمـراتكسوه بردته * الزيت أدمٌ لـه والكـوخ مـأواه
يهتز كسـرى على كرسيه فرقـا * من خوفه ، وملوك الروم تخشـاه
يا رب فابعث لنا من مثلهم نفـرا * يشـيدون لـنا مـجدا أضعنـاه