Well Fortune is getting loads of mileage out of its cover story on the Beastmaster making headway in China by slashing the price of Windows to three bucks. But the best part of the fallout comes from freetards, who first said the story wasn't true and that Linux still rules in China (ahem). Then they said, well, maybe it is true that Windows is winning, but if so this means that really Linux has "won" because it has forced Microsoft to lower its prices. Now they've moved on to story #3, which says Fortune is right and Windows is winning in China but this is only because Microsoft cheats. See here where some Linux bootlicker (shurely "independent, objective, trustworthy journalist"? Ed.) says the only reason Windows is winning in China is because Microsoft lets people pirate it and/or charges a mere three bucks for Windows and Office.
Freetard fails to notice the huge hole in his argument which is that -- imagine Sam Kinison screaming now -- fucking Linux is fucking free you fucking idiot! Linux is even cheaper than Windows. You can have it and all the other freetard apps that go with it for zero dollars, which is approximately three bucks less than what Microsoft charges. So, given the choice of a free software system or one that costs three bucks, the Chinese are choosing the one that costs three bucks. It's not cheating. It's called competition. The Chinese put the two products side by side and decided that if cost isn't an issue, Windows is better.
Freetard the Bootlicker says Microsoft is "dumping products on the market at far below cost." Um, is that not exactly what Linux vendors have been doing? Enabled by rich subsidies from IBM and other hardware players? And has it not occurred to you that the reason IBM pumped one billion dollars (visualize pinkie in corner of Palmisano's mouth) into Linux was precisely so that it could force Microsoft to cut prices on Windows and thereby choke off Microsoft's oxygen supply? Think, jackass. Why is it okay for IBM and its Linux puppets to give software away free but not Microsoft? And why do you care anyway? What difference does it make to you what OS some people in China use? Why does this bother you? Why do you filthy hacks come so unhinged when it comes to Linux? Why are you so emotionally wrapped up in the fortunes of some weird bit of software?
Don't get me wrong. I have no love for the Borg. And I'm a big fan of open source software and we use a lot of it at Apple (wrapped up in our own proprietary code and sold for big money, of course -- thanks, suckas!) But I'm sick of hearing freetards tell me how my stuff sucks compared to theirs. It's been going on for years and it's just not true. It's like Yugo claiming to be superior to Mercedes. It's ridiculous. Our stuff is way, way better than yours. That's not an opinion. It's a fact. That's why people pay so much for our software. And when it comes to Microsoft v. Linux, you freetards need to take a long, hard look at yourselves.
For the record, the real reason Microsoft got a foothold in China is that they invested in the country. They built research labs, hired Chinese people, helped the Chinese build an ecosystem of third-party software companies. And before you go crying about that being "unfair," take note -- it's exactly what IBM has done in BRIC and elsewhere, building labs to push Linux. Microsoft is just keeping up with Big Brother.
Freetards, face facts. You've lost. You've had sixteen years to try and build a desktop operating system, and you still can't get your shit together. Nobody wants your software. It's not Microsoft's fault. It's yours. Because trust me, if you truly developed a kick-ass OS with tens of thousands of drivers and easy installation and reliable performance, you'd be winning. But you're not. Firefox caught on, right? Why? Because it rocked. 
Desktop Linux, however, is a different story, and in your heart of hearts you know this. It's a bad imitation of Windows and can't even come close to OS X. Want more proof? India rejected the XO machine. Hardly anybody else is placing orders for Negroponte's miracle laptop, despite the low, low price of only one hundred dollars. Now the Chinese don't want Linux. They're not buying into your crazy crusade. Sorry. And you guys are starting to sound like the world's biggeest whiners, constantly blaming everyone around you for your own failures. You're the John Kerry of software.
Tuesday, July 31, 2007
Freetards in deep denial
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Normally, they give the drugs to the new kids for free. In this case, MS is charging them $3, but it's pretty much the same deal. Just wait until they read the EULA...
Stevie,
I never imagined that you support MSFT so much, so strongly. I started wondering if I am reading FSJ blog or beastmaster blog. Confused. Dude.
There is nothing more satisfying than watching Linux-using nerd virgins getting their comeuppance. Well, actually, there are many things better, such ad the tender touch of a beautiful woman just out of high school, but watching the Linux fad die off is pretty cool too.
who is Ed?
If Microsoft is the naughty drug dealer trying to hook people on its E, then that must make the Linux community the wannabes trying to get everybody hooked on their oh-so-greater drug, which is actually just small bits of E they gathered off the urine drenched alleys mixed with a shit load of flour. Imitation flour (because the real stuff is too expensive and besides nobody will know the difference). Well, I do, and so does the rest of the world.
Hasn't anyone noticed that the 'Year of the Linux Desktop' will happen this year. And has been happening for the past, oh, 8 or 9 years that way.
Silly Linux users, when your system works as well as OS X, I'll switch. I know that I'll be dead before that happens, and I'm not yet 30.
Great speech, FSJ. The Freetards aren't just cheating, they're stealing!!!
Careful FSJ. The only thing more rabid than a Maclot is a Freetard.
Keep your head down.
DD
Actually, the real story is in between: MS has won the business segment but RedLinux is installed all over in the government and mandated for all government computing. The Chinese government has no plans to use Windows. Period. Plus, the Chinese government has developed RedOffice (for both RedLinux and WIndows), a clone of OpenOffice, with Chinese character and input device support and is making that the government standard using UOF, a derivative of ODF. The Chinese have already developed a converter between UOF and ODF. So, FSJ, you are only half right after all. China doesn't care about freetards--they just don't want to pay the MS tax for their government computing. Plus, as a side effect, they get to develop a software industry to eventually compete in the world market.
You're the John Kerry of software.
Friggin' priceless!
But who is Shurely, and what does she have to do with the Microsoft/Linux story?
Eh! The whole article is great (and very true) but the punch-line is fantastic. Thanks, FSJ. :D
guess what, our mighty leader chairman J is right, again.
99.8% computer users in the "centre nation" (yes, that's what Chinese call the country in their own language, all the rest of world is a far cry) think there is ONLY ONE OS on the planet, which happens to be BillyG's baby.
and whoh la, among the rest, 0.1% worship our Chairman J, and the other 0.1% (read: geektard) think Linux is "the way" (play supreme commander anyone?).
Chairman J, we are waiting for you to rescue our fellow countrymen (and women) from the imperialist BillyG!
Long Long Live Chairman J!
Oh yeah, FSJ supports MSFT so much. I can practically feel the drool through my keyboard...
Just because Linux sucks more ass than Windows as a general purpose, give-it-to-grandma OS doesn't make FSJ a stooge for pointing it out.
It is what it is! They are sweating MS more than a Tour rider taking a drug test.
AWESOME!!! You are so right. The year of the linux desktop will always been in the future. It's too hard to deal with. I don't give a fuck if there is some kind of porting software to get VBA into open office's calc. 99.99999% of the people in the world have no idea what porting is!!!! Don't you get it? Your software still is written by engineers for engineers. It will never be accepted by the average Chan in china or ANYWHERE ELSE. I write software for a living, and I DON'T USE LINUX! I tried it and was horrified at the UI massacre that linux is, and the horrific diver support and lack of off the shelf useful software with support. I use open office, but on WINDOWS!
The truth is linux will be an experiment that while has made many good software. Won't be used by average people with out a company like Apple taking such software and making it easy to use.
For example. Apache is a BITCH to install and set up. But under OS X you click a check box to start it up. Your done.
Please Please Linux stop blaming everyone else for your own failings and shortcomings. It's getting really old. Linux is free, Windows is $3 is china, yet nearly everyone runs Windows.
One more reason people run windows in china, World of Warcraft and every little podunk Korean MMO out there that china can't get enough of. I don't want to hear about WINE. Too hard to get working and people just don't give enough of a fuck to deal with it. They just want it to turn on and work.
Arguably, MS are still undercutting Linux. Linux is Free, but the CD will probably cost you $10 from most people who'll ship you one, so MS is $7 cheaper. 30% of the price of Linux.
Yes, I have a life. Now I'll get my coat.
Anon: take your freetard hat off for a moment and read again. There's nothing positive about MS here. The tale's about Linux. And as a Mac using observer I've got to say FSJ is spot on.
We know what windows is, what its problems are, how it has distorted the industry and twisted people's choice. But what about it exactly is so hard for Linux to compete with? Why isn't the free alternative leading the assault on MS's shaky leadership? Where in the world are all these tens and hundreds of millions of free desktop users? Why is even the developing world turning the good guys down?
Hard questions, and they're not for MS or Apple to answer. This stuff needs some introspection from the free software camp. They need to inquire within. Or mope about as the perennial losers, wondering where the good times went.
Very funny and very perceptive.
I laughed out loud at this:
Freetard the Bootlicker says Microsoft is "dumping products on the market at far below cost."
It's absurd for a FOSS advocate of all people to complain that software is being distributed for less than it costs to produce.
O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us To see oursels as others see us
Too many people in that world have a quasi-religious attitude to software and can't talk about it without getting into self-contradiction, special-pleading, and hypocrisy. As someone said in that absurd can-I-get-rid-of-OSX-for-Linux-but-still-run-my-Mac-apps thread at Slashdot yesterday: "... my advice is to get a life -- it's just software!"
Today /. has a thread on an administrator at a hospital. There are two linked articles. He's done some pretty exhaustive trials of using a Mac, using XP, and using three different Linux distros. Work your way through his lengthy and rather boring descriptions and you find from his own accounts he had nothing but trouble with his Linux machines, found OS X by far the nicest, and XP somewhere in between. However, he's sticking with Linux:
“As a Prius-driving vegan environmentalist physician trained in county hospitals to serve the under-served, the open-source and free-software movements appeal to me,“ says Halamka.
Your funeral, buddy. If you want to use software that's not so good, because of its "image" go right ahead. Most people are no so damn priggish.
As for trying to explain what is wrong with Linux to a Linux zealot--forget it. Where people like Eric Raymond have triedand have failed to get much of a hearing, an outsider has no chance.
FWIW, I do think Linux is "ready" for the desktop--if set up and maintained by a competent IT department. But sooner or later--and if he's unlucky sooner--the average person will run into problems that take hours of Googling and questioning on messages boards to solve and that at best involve editing config files by hand and at worst involve a descent into dependency hell. I guess if you're doing little beyond Web and email you may be OK, but if you want to do much more ...
But let's hope desktop Linux does get more uptake. God knows the Borg's stranglehold on the desktop needs breaking, and I don't think Apple can do it all by itself.
And don't forget that in China $3 is just about a full day's wage, so in real dollar terms the comparison of "free" to $3" is saying something.
Freakin brilliant as usual!!! Keep it up FSJ.
"...you guys are starting to sound like the world's biggeest whiners, constantly blaming everyone around you for your own failures. You're the John Kerry of software."
I agreed with FSJ before I voted to disagree with him.
thanks for the reminder... I'd forgotten John (Wayne -
as in world, not duke) Kerry had been in my movie:
"Everything you wanted to know about... whatever..."
talk about type casting? Anyway, thanks again for the
stroll down memory lane. BTW, I am anxious to bid on
the "Options" film rights - think I can still line up Tom
Cruise to play the lead, with your OK of course. Call me, babe. I could use a blog... I mean blockbuster.
Scarlette is on board already, she's willing to be used
however you see fit. May shoot most of the scenes in
Paris... it kind of looks like Cupertino and the rest of Italy, doesn't it. Hey, I'm getting ahead of things -I'm just so excited about this project. I've never worked for a big major like Disney before. Allen and
Jobs, I think it's a match made in Heaven - or whatever karmic playground you are subscribing to these days... especially since Bob isn't here to do it.
I mean it... call me
Love it... 5 bucks says that in 5 years Linux will be the Amgia of operating systems, used only by slovenly freetard virgins while the enterprise switches to OpenSolaris, and Desktops to OS X "Cougar" (which comes with a free Sheryl Crow iTunes download), And MS Windows Vista SP4)
Anybody out there in China want to ship me lots of Vista CD's with legal licenses. I'm willing to pay 2 days wages for them...
FSJ, this is the second time I've seen you use "ecosystem" to mean economy rather than ecological system. Interesting usage. Makes me wonder if others use it that way. I've never seen it before.
Wow, I don't like Apple that much, but fakesteve is cool, cause he hates linux just as much as me ^^
Then they said, well, maybe it is true that Windows is winning, but if so this means that really Linux has "won" because it has forced Microsoft to lower its prices.
Ahh, the famous “cheap as in beer” goal of the Free Software Movement.
Who is Ed? Who is ED?????
It's unsurprising that you haven't heard of him, but I will tell you. "Ed" is the moniker of the man in the shadows, the REAL power behind Steve Jobs.
He is said to have his fingers everywhere in the world. If there is a corporate takeover...a country to be toppled...Ed is probably involved. Who knows who his carefully guarded real name is, or why he prefers to be known as "Ed?" His name is spoken in fearful whispers; his power is immense. Some use him as proof the Illuminati are a real organization.
Nobody is sure who "Shurely" is, although some say she is a beautiful and mysterious woman with spiritual ties to the lost race of Atlantis.
At any rate, they are legendary characters, and the fact they have chosen to back FSJ SHOULD make you shiver in awe.
nobody in china pays to use MShit... they just have friendly neighborhood pirates to give them free copies. MS didn't cut prices to compete with Linux, they did it to curb piracy. Nobody needs to exert any effort into competing with Linux. Coz noone but students use Linux, you see, it blows to even get it installed, forget the total lack of software.
Having said this, I sincerely hope we'll get to see good stuff happening in LinuxWorld. Whatever anyone says, I like free software. That's why I use pirated Windows.
I love it how you guys constantly refer to Free Software enthusiasts as virgins, as if having a Mac will get you laid.
Lol, the only ass that a Mac will get you is your fellow design fags'.
As always Fake Steve you introduce the hammer and the nail into close proximity!
whoh la
hmmm...
我拉 ... ? no
喔辣 ... ? naw...
Got it! You meant "voilà". ROFLMAO.
this story is of couse complete nonsence linux is a lot beter than windows it's only problem is that open- office is not as nice as ms office. Look at places where that is not a problem on servers for example where windows is losing ground very vast and there is no sane person who will even imagine using a windows server as internet server.
These copies of windows are not for use but for testing the spyware and virusus they are developing.
Is there perhaps something ironic about a Mac advocate using the "if your system was any good, everyone would be using it" argument? :)
So... How is Apple doing in China?
I've wanted FSJ to rip apart the desktop linux bullshit train for quite some time. I laughed so hard!
The fact that Microsoft can be selling Windows for $3, without Steve Ballmer crying himself to sleep every night for the next 20 years, is because of piracy. According so statistics up to 90% of all the software in China is pirated. When almost everyone pirate your software you don't have much to loose.
I wonder how big market share Mac OS X has in China. Is it bigger than every chinese linux vendor put together? I doubt it. I would love to hear about Apples plans for that very special market, but I wonder if they have any.
I think it's brilliant that Apple can take Open Source software and wrap it up in a Mac package and then sell it. Because without that possibility Mac OS X wouldn't exsist (at least as we know it today). It wound't be as stable, secure or as polished. Last time Apple tried to develop an OS (Copland - I don't think iPod OS counts) entirly on it's it didn't end so well.
The fact that Apple make GUI and integration between apps a high priority is beacuse, they can take a load of other under-the-hood things. Apple should remember that although much of the software under the hood of OS X is free at the moment - that could change. 20 years from now (when Steve Jobs is long gone from Apple) I belive they will, more or less be forces to, start really supporting Open Source. That will indeed be intresting to see.
And while we are on the subject of free. Steve Jobs offerd to install OS X free of charge on all One-Laptop-Per-Child computers. They declined and chose Red Hat instead. Something to think of. Maybe they don't have enough genius bars in Africa?
Btw I look forward to the new iMacs next tuesday! You better have something nice up your sleve Steve.
So, if MS Windows is only worth $3, what does it say about the people who pay several hundred for it? ;)
The Linux desktop may have "lost" or is losing, but at least it (and the resurgence of Mac OS) is forcing Microsoft to compete a bit. For the last little while they've been sitting on their hands to some extent, and the nintety-plus percent of the computer population who use their OS have been stuck with a mostly mediocre product.
Hmm ... let's see. The main designated rival of 'The Beast' (read Transmetropolitan), Steve Jobs, instead of joining what he calls (in his fake incarnation) 'freetards' in the struggle against the *actual levers The Beast uses to maintain his dominance*, as agreed by all the issue's intellectual lights, instead spurns both his own movement's more active and more intellectual wing, and instead disagrees with The Beast only on trivialities, is in bed with all the same people, and shows himself to be perfectly willing to use all the same tactics.
Steve Jobs (real and fake, the both of yaz) -- YOU are the John Kerry of software.
And in a MUCH more significant way than Fake You's empty snide rhetoric which rarely passes the scratch test to go more than skin deep.
The Freetards are Noam Chomsky, c'mon, FSJ, GET THIS RIGHT!
Um... installing Linux (have you ever tried ubuntu??) is a hell of a lot easier and faster than installing MS windows.
How about comparing installing and using Linux to installing and using Vista???
Vista installs and upgrades are absolute nightmares from most everything that I have heard.
The only big hurdle at the moment with something like Ubuntu, are the hoops you have to jump through for getting all the media codecs to work.
We'll see what happens with Dell's great experiment with Ubuntu.
this story is of couse complete nonsence linux is a lot beter than windows it's only problem is that open- office is not as nice as ms office. Look at places where that is not a problem on servers for example where windows is losing ground very vast and there is no sane person who will even imagine using a windows server as internet server.
What you're really saying is that Linux succeeds where the UI doesn't matter.
Microsoft winning in China? According to the Chinese calendar, 2007 is the year of the pig. Coincidence? I think not. Lipstick, anyone?
Fun stuff, but a couple of thoughts:
1) IBM, Redhat, Novell and others can afford to give away their versions of Linux partly because they didn't pay for most of its development and partly because that's not where they make the money - they get it from the surrounding support and consulting contracts. Now, it would be very interesting if Microsoft ever went that far, and made Windows free...
2) There is a highly successful Open Source desktop, but it isn't called KDE and it isn't called Gnome. It's called Firefox. Every year that goes by, the OS you use behind your browser becomes less and less relevant. I think this is the real opportunity now for Linux on the desktop - as a reliable platform for Firefox...
Linux and open source in China are doing just fine on servers, like everywhere else in the world.
As to the desktop, what will make the difference is olpc XO and all the imitators it is spawning, like the Intel Classmate, the new $200 Asus laptop, and a $150 one from Medison Celibrity. What is more, olpc plans the XO to be down to $50 in a few years, and no doubt its competitors will follow.
Most of the people in the world can't afford the sorts of boxes that Dell sells, but could afford, and get along with just fine, a $50 400 mhz box. The problem was the oem's and Microsoft conspired to keep prices high by regularly upgrading their bottem level boxes, and, in the case of Microsoft, regularly increasing the amount of computer power to run Window.
Now oplc has broken the ice and produced a cheap computer for the great majority of the world that at present doesn't have computers (this problem is so important it even has a name: "the digital divide") The problem for Microsoft is that it needs an expensive box to run on, plus it charges $50 a copy to oems. Microsoft can't possibly compete at the bottem end (the Intel Classmate is $200 only because it is getting a massive subsidy.)
Only Linux can operate at the bottem, and that means in the coming years you are going to see hundreds of millions of desktop and laptop computers running it and oss.
Remember, when you are competing against a deeply intrenched monopoly, it is unwise to take it head-on and try to produce the same product. Instead the road to success is to do something different, and that is exactly what oplc has done.
Well, I've been happily using Ubuntu Linux as my primary operating system for about five months, so I have to say it's reasonably easy to install and use.
I'm also finding I can do pretty much everything I once did under Windows, albeit with open source software. Yes, there is some adaptation required but overall things work just fine.
Two of the great enablers were the free Wine and WMware virtualization tools that enabled me to run my last "must have" Windows program (Adobe FrameMaker).
I confess that I've experienced a few "Linux moments" along the way. But overall I'll be happy to never buy another Microsoft product as long as I live. That will put me in company with the Chinese, since they don't seem to be *buying* many Microsoft products, either...
One thing that Microsoft could support for free, if not free software, is free speech as a part of the free trade deal. But that would be boring, same old I load your ship, you unload mine. What is way more fun are the security holes in those cheap Windows. Once they boot up their desktops, we will grab them by the winsocks. And then the Chinese service/language pack will do them in. One wrong Unicode in the right place, and I am done. Or was it Unicorn? They will be booting Linux in dual mode, compliments of Hegel.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=jEI&q=%22year+of+desktop+linux%22+site%3Aslashdot.org&btnG=Search
That's all you need to know about the Freetards.
Congratulations on using a slur against the mentally disabled. Eigth grade must be rough, huh?
I had to dig this since it was incredibly inaccurate.
"Your" linux desktop is as crappy as you make it. Kind of like building with Lego or brand toys. They don't exactly build themselves when you get them right?
But wait, why bother to build anything you can just buy what you wanted to build outright. Fast food man... lol
ha ha ha - guess what OS X is built on?
BSD
guess what Safari uses to render webpages?
KHTML, from the KDE project.
Hasn't anyone noticed that the 'Year of the Linux Desktop' will happen this year. And has been happening for the past, oh, 8 or 9 years that way.
Anonymous is right - X junkies have predicted ten of the last zero Years When Linux Makes It On The Desktop.
Maybe someday they'll figure out that X is the problem, not the solution.
I know how hard it is to make money off of linux. I fix people's computers all the time. When they ran Windows, I had to make weekly housecalls, etc. to get rid of all their viruses, spyware, etc. After I switched them to linux, after a couple of weeks of them getting accustomed to it, the repair calls have almost completely stopped. The only time I suggest Windows now is if there's a game that will only work on Windows that they want to play. Otherwise, linux beats MS's ass on pretty much everything else important.
What an awesome rant on the Freetards. I wish I knew who came up with that name. Pretty much everyone (99.manynines%) uses Linux everyday if they're accessing the internet. And desktop linux has made real improvements; it's coming along fine.
The greatest obstacle to Linux adoption is not MS, but Richard Stalman, the FSF, and the Freetard religious followers. The reason why a Freetard is worse than a Mac zealot is because they have a hardcore ideology. What's been our ideology? Aesthetics? Ease of use? It just works? The need to perceive oneself as hip? So, yeah, we sip the koolaid, engage in endless arguments with trolls, bask in the warm radiation of the RDF, but we are not steeled by the very real and crazy religious conviction of the Freetards. We joke about the cult of Mac, but they really have a cult thing going.
And this is a major turn off for business and free enterprise. The rhetoric of the FSF has slowed adoption of Linux. Once businesses find that the GPL version 2 isn't so bad, they're generally more comfortable with it. Eventually, the real world benefits of Linux and OSS is made clear.
So what do the freetards do? They create an even more restrictive license, the GPL 3, to punish businesses they don't like. They make up new terminology, such as "Tivoization", to attack those businesses. (Note: GPL 3 has some good stuff in it regarding patents, but the FSF ruined it with its extension of the GPL into the hardware realm.)
Thank god that Linus Torvalds, creator and lead developer of Linux, is sticking with the GPL 2 and has criticized the GPL 3.
Someone noted that $3 is a day's wage in the PRC. (I don't know if this is accurate, but it sounds about right.) So, Windows is still a premium product in China. People are not buying Windows over using Linux because Windows is the superior product. They're using Windows because of the perceived value. Because of marketing.
If the Linux world wants to boost uptake, it needs to do better "open source" marketing to shape public perception of the Linux Brand. Unfortunately, it will be impossible to shut the FSF up, so putting together a coherent brand message is going to be very difficult.
I'm posting this anonymously, because whenever I have criticized the FSF under my own name, I get some FSF religious nuts that try to follow me home. I'd rather have a hundred J'sWs visit me every day than to have a single Freetard harrassing me online.
You can tell Linux is doing well because so many people spend so much time attacking it. It is especially telling when employees of multi-billion dollar multinationals do the attacking.
You're all armchair quarterbacks who want to make fun of nerds. How sad you all are.
Linux != those who whine about it any more than the clueless secretary is representative of Windows, or the Mac zealot is of his Mac.
Give me a break. You are the same people who are always looking for a reason to rant about the "obvious" "stupid" people out there, be it gay, lesbian, dresses differently, etc. etc.
Grow up and work out some of your impotent anger in therapy.
I don't get the hostile attitude toward an alternative to MS. The article should have been called, "Yuppy Mac Users Unite Against Linux."
"... sixteen years to try and build a desktop..."
One does not "try and", one "tries to".
You know... much of this is true. The biggest obstacle to desktop Linux adoption is user-friendliness. All the other crap about who's OS is better... blah, blah, blah is just piffle. Oh and by the way... Linux users KNOW that user friendliness is the issue so your not really educating anyone. Its just that the Linux user-base come from the UNIX world where fancy GUIs are just in the way (why do it in ten clicks when I can just type a couple of lines into my shell). So its taking too long to break old habits and learn new tricks... an old dog and all.
Secondly... the reason why anyone remains trapped in the Windoze world is the same regardless of whether your talking Windoze vs. Linux or Windoze vs. MacOS... apps. In the business world the majority of software vendors write for Windoze and Windoze only. So if you are a business user you are pretty much stuck. It has nothing to do with "putting OSes side by side" and "choosing the better". Its simple economics... if I can't get software package X for OS Y and my business depends on software package X then I can't use OS Y. I know a shit load of businesses that would gladly switch to anything other than Windoze if they could only get all the software packages they need. They won't switch to MacOS either so should I conclude that Windoze is just better than MscOS and Apple should just give up and stop competing with Microsoft?
That's why Microsoft will NEVER make an MS Office port that runs on Linux. That would be like cuting their own friggin heads off. Cuz if any business owner had the option of using MS Office on an OS riddled with stability and security problems vs. one that was stable and not the biggest target in the world for virus writers... hmmm.. guess what... you'd see more Linux desktops in businesses.
The open source community needs to make things easier to use, which is starting to happen, continue to provide viable alternatives to core apps, and find a way to court third-party vendors to port their apps. Improving the user experience will help with the last bit because nothing attracts a vendor's interest like a user base.
All this other shit about who is better or how long it has taken is just useless flame bait.
God your an ass! And so are the Jobtards! I know it doesn't rhyme, but it's still the truth.
And to think I thought so much of you and your art. You miss the point Steve. Look at Apache, look at the kernel, you sure did!
Everything else is moot. Tell your minions who invented zealot ignorant compurant to at least participate in "their" {yours, whatever} OS with their minds and not just their money.
And Not all Mactards are great artists, but for 3000 dollars they sure can feel like one. Look at my great kit car! Isn't it great!
TO FUNNY!
You Morons are all killing me! I'm a pragmatist. I hear all the complaining about not being able to get Linux installed, yada, yada, yada!
That's all because none of you have half a brain or can read most probably. There are more free tutorials on the web for those who truly want to learn a thing or two out there and more Man pages to use built into the system that a 14 yo kid can easily install and run a mainstream linux OS.
Now I will tell you that if all you want to do is game and trade MS Office files with your corporate buddies, then stay the hell away from Linux, you are correct.
And by the way, watch your MS system run slower and slower as year after year you increase the complexity and power of your antivirus systems and all the other TP firewall crap that is so necessary to run that beloved piece of crap.
Then after about 18 months to 2yrs, be prepared to re-load that puppy as the registry is now so bloated and frigged up that the machine is crawling and occasionally showing you the BSOD. Don't tell me it doesn't happen, I have teen-agers and until I re-loaded the last time and barred the IM programs and the music download programs from my Windows machine, I lived this hell too!
I forced my kids to run Linux and guess what, no antivirus, no re-loading (FC3 for 2.5 yrs without crashing before I CHOOSE to upgrade) and they can IM, browse, download the dreaded peer-to-peer, control their iPod, etc. without a hitch on Linux.
Not to mention that I run a separate server for file serving all windows & *nix machines in my home and amazingly that never crashes either even though it's pulling 15,000 jpg from cameras over ftp each day and many other meanial tasks. Btw, did I metion how easily I can remotely access this server to program and maintain it from my hotel as I travel??
Linux serves a different purpose than windows and you are all myopic to believe that just because something appears easy that it is a good product. How badly do the many, many software manufacturers want to see Windows survive?? Symantic & McAfee built an entire industry because of it!!
Just my 2 cents worth. MS has it's place as well as Linux does. There is no coincidence that over 40% of all web servers are Linux & a large entity such a Google runs linux??
It's just stable if you have the brains to set it up!!!
Man, I can't imagine pulling 15,000 JPGs a day over FTP. And my limited imagination is happy without Linux.
Although I do like the penguin. It doesn't suck nearly as much as the apple or the Redmond flag. But I can put a nice penguin on my Windows wallpaper, install Photoshop so I can pretend to be a creative artist, and have the best of all worlds. So I do.
Why all the hate, brother? Why can't we all just get along?
for decades western scholastic scientific textbooks have been distributed in china at cheap prices, to keep china in the circle of western science. this is how come you get so many chinese coming to grad school here. this is about the imperial spreading of english and its "business model" as the language of science. thus, in 1990, a chinese translation of jackson's "classical electrodynamics" , a standard physics grad school textbook, translated to chinese, was selling for $5 in china and over $100 in america.
that is not bad in itself, but there are no translations of comparable chinese texts available for cheap? for that matter, where are there cheap books to help westerners learn chinese?
for decades western scholastic scientific textbooks have been distributed in china at cheap prices, to keep china in the circle of western science. this is how come you get so many chinese coming to grad school here. this is about the imperial spreading of english and its "business model" as the language of science. thus, in 1990, a chinese translation of jackson's "classical electrodynamics" , a standard physics grad school textbook, translated to chinese, was selling for $5 in china and over $100 in america.
that is not bad in itself, but there are no translations of comparable chinese texts available for cheap? for that matter, where are there cheap books to help westerners learn chinese?
Ha.
Quality arguments aside (and, BTW, quality is completely subjective and unquantifiable, so your assertion that it is a "fact" that Mac OS X and Windows are better than Linux can never be proven true in the general case), the only logical reason for the Chinese to choose Microsoft Windows over Linux is because Microsoft gave the Chinese government permission to modify parts of the Windows source code and redistribute the modified binaries for $3 a pop, without being bound by the GPL to distribute the source with it. This way, the government can embed espionage software (i.e. to see what the civilians are doing and track them, which is to their advantage given their government model) into the OS without giving the civilians the ability to remove it. In that scenario, therefore, distributing Linux would make no sense at all, because it would be trivial for civilians to remove said code from the OS. Also, Microsoft isn't making any real money on this deal; they're acquiring mind-share. Once Windows takes root in China, what's to stop them from jacking the price and increasing the power of the anti-piracy code on other software products?
As a Linux user and developer, I'm glad it was Microsoft Windows they chose, because I'd hate for the OS I helped develop to be used for purposes as vile as brainwashing, mind-control, and censorship.
There is no hate here Seth, just an observation. I don't hate MS and in fact I still run it, just limit it's usefulness so that it doesn't get borked and have to re-load it.
15k jpgs are for camera repositories on my server from several different ip cams. It really doesn't bother the server at all. It could handle quite a bit more if needed without creating much of a load.
Happy to use both, just not believing that MS is all the rage that the author pointed out! Happy to run critical processes on Linux though!!!
On a lark, I installed Ubuntu Linux when Dapper was released (June 06), and then upgraded to Edgy a few months later (Oct 06). Then I switched to OpenSUSE when v10.2 came out (Dec 06). Nice OSes, and with some tweaking, I can see them as viable options for some of our fellow cash-strapped Asians. But by 31 Dec 2006, I downloaded and installed a pirated copy of Windows XP. I'd rather risk the occasional hiccup with a superior OS than muddle around with a half-baked one.
Aah, The tides of change. I remember when linux supporters used to bitch and moan about mac and windows, seems things are turning around .
Steve, why dont you make linux GO AWAY, seems you want to, so just make it go away. Why dont you and Bill Gates get together and just simply wipe it off the face of the planet.
Cant?Oh wait you are trying...
See, as much as you want to BITCH and MOAN there is absolutely nothing going to stop Linux and Open source from growing, it is a community initiative , run by the community. Can you see any way it will stop? IT CANT BE STOPPED.
Your OS and as well as Windows , my friend, are owned by companies, and unless these companies are gonna be around FOREVER, will it ever survive, companies die.
So bitch and moan as much as what you want, LINUX is here to STAY, and GROW
oh yes, another thing, by YOUR own analogy , windows is far more superior than OSX, seeing that there are more windows desktops than OSX desktops... HAH!
Merciel, you're right abt the woman, but for the rest why do you care what someone else is using?
I certainly don't, but for me the 'year of the you know what desktop' was 2005 and I haven't been looking back. It's pretty damn easy now, and nice looking too. Anyway, if you care about looks you can pimp your KDE or Gnome, or just leave it professional like W2K was.
A lot of posters here seem to be some sort of right-wingers who confuse supporting MS because they're an American company and pay a lot of tax dollars with patriotic duty. Well, to each his own.
You are freetard wasting time on stupid articles. GNU/Linux is made by people who use their free time to do something constructive. They do not expect you to understand it. If you could, you would have loved GNU/Linux too.
Not a single one of you correctly identified the real reason why Chinese users use Windows--it's Internet Explorer.
Have you ever tried browsing Chinese web sites? Half of them require installing some bizarre Windows/IE specific plugins to work (god knows how much malware is stuffed into these plugins). The Chinese have no clue whatsoever about designing web sites in any sort of standards-compliant or browser compatible fashion. They just test with whatever version of IE they've got and if it sort of works then that's good enough.
The bottom line is that if you want to browse Chinese web sites, you use Windows/IE.
It really doesn't matter how much better any alternative may be. It doesn't matter how unstable a cracked OS stuffed with oodles of plugin malware might be. Come on, this is China--the people already know they have no privacy anyway. The bottom line is that only Windows/IE will work with many Chinese web sites.
4chan.org!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They also have woman who want to have Gates baby... I had already assumed from that that Mircosoft had won.
I love it when all 99% of us get to finally make fun of Linux freetards: Linux sucks, period. I've used it for years, or tried to, until I would get tired of how useless it was to have an OS that no one uses and is missing tons of features that are available even in Windows.
Now hopefully one day FSJ and the rest of the readers will have a chance to rant about the world's most powerful and widespread virus: JAVA.
Thing is, Java never really delivered on the promise of one code, many platforms, this was just never possible anyway and nobody needed it in the end. Most of what you actually need in Java can be done with JS, Flash, AJAX, etc, but without crippling your browser even if you have 10GB of RAM. Java slows down ANY machine I ever use it in, if a page is loading slow as crap, then 99 % of the time it's trying to load and execute a wonderfully useless Java applet.
@gnumber, anonymous...
"I lived a horrible, wretched life. Then I found Jesus. My life is amazingly wonderful now that I have a personal relationship with Jesus and I am the happiest person alive!!! And you should find Jesus too, like me!!"
Different religion, same speech, except you're using geek speak.
Proselytize elsewhere, please.
(no offense to Jesus, He's cool!)
"Linux" and "Linux community" are broad generalized terms. The "community" has at least 3 distinct layers.
First, people cooperating to solve their problems. Leaving aside testers and translators, one must code to be there.
Second, people packaging the results of the cooperative effort for other people. That is, Red Hat, Canonical, and wannabees. I would say about 1,000 guys worldwide, but how much noise do they make!
Third, people who just use Linux. Their skill varies, so some just use Linux without any problems, other pick results of the cooperative effort (for example, Gentoo is a cooperative effort to make it easier to find good free software and use it), and the rest are dummies with the only option to pay for everything.
There are both individuals and organizations in each layer. This makes a total of at least 6 drastically different segments that can be collectively referenced as "Linux community".
It is possible to say that IBM pumped lots of cash into "Linux community", but no conclusions can be made based on the fact, unless it is clear how these cash was distributed between segments. AFAIK IBM found that the most efficient way to spend a billion on software development is to cooperate. Does this fact support the ideas of this post well?
Thus, the whole text, however enjoyable, must be considered meaningless.
The author finds vague terms like "Linux community" still too specific and invents new, even better for obfuscation, ones like "freetards". Is it a conscious desire to deceive or are "freetards" just people who, by design or by ignorance, also use terms like "Linux community", but this time in pro-Linux posts? Such posts can be equally meaningless and annoying.
I recall using Linux on a Celeron 500 for all audio and video just because nothing can do that equally good on Windows. That is, Linux won my desktop years ago. So what?
I guess that dummies will always be Microsoft pray whatever MS does to them, even Vista. My best 2 reasons for that are: first, nobody really likes to deal with dummies, second, it is natural that all dummies use the same product, which is currently Windows. MS must goof up really big at a critical time, like screw up 64-bit consumer Windows completely, for that to change.
This said, can you tell what is this post actually about? I cannot. But it is still fun to read, right?
Yeah Steve, tell us about that meeting with Linus Torvalds that went nowhere. Remember how green he got in the face when you said FreeBSD is cool and we are gonna make a TIGER/lepard/cheetah/whataver out of it?"
Stop distracting us with your useless iPhone. Give us the goods.
Not to mention that I run a separate server for file serving all windows & *nix machines in my home and amazingly that never crashes either even though it's pulling 15,000 jpg from cameras over ftp each day and many other meanial tasks. Btw, did I metion how easily I can remotely access this server to program and maintain it from my hotel as I travel??
I tried doing that at home. Visited dozens of forums and websites to figure out how to do it. After a month of typing commands in Terminal, I installed XP, started the File and Printer sharing wizard and was soooo happy. I'll never install Linux again. not in a hundred years
Gotta love the comment about Linux hardware compatibility. Fact is, you can only run OS X (well) on Apple hardware, and Ubuntu has more drivers than Vista at this point.
Just... just choke on your beards, you hideous sag-bellied freetards. I bet you're all furries as well.
BBC, Monday, 6 August 2007
Lenovo to offer Linux on laptops
Lenovo, one of the world's biggest PC manufacturers, is to start selling laptops to business and consumers with Linux pre-installed on the machines.
Lenovo is the world's third-biggest PC maker.
Don't you just hate it when reality steps in to (partially) spoil a good, but manic, rant, not to mention the gleeful, yet premature, gloating emanating from some comments? OOoohhh, we just hate that!!
Don't know if this has already been mentioned (lots of comments here and so little time..) but..
"For example. Apache is a BITCH to install and set up. But under OS X you click a check box to start it up. Your done."
sudo apt-get install apache
..wow. Hard. You'll find a lot of properly-packaged applications for Linux are also this easy to install. There's also graphical package managers like Adept, for those who don't know what a keyboard is. As for whether Linux will ever take off in a big way on the desktop, I don't know.. it needs to be more polished in some places, in my little opinion. However, I'm quite happy with Kubuntu, and after a little pain setting up Compiz/Fusion (well, it does use Beta-level features), I've been impressing a few people with graphical effects that make even OS X look maybe a little tired. All this on an Athlon 1300? Please.. criticise all you like, but don't go writing the "freetards" off as a spent force. You'll just look silly trying.
This is the dumbest blog post I have ever read in my life.
Perhaps a little too much like "Real Steve Jobs" in that he plays off of misunderstandings and lack of comprehensive knowledge.
"freetard"?!
Go read an internet.
Didn't I read somewhere that Linux desktops are a larger share of the market than Apple desktops? That means your losing to freetards Steve.
Really, it's just a matter of what you are using the OS for. I run Linux on my older machines, because the distro I use runs many times faster than Windows on them. I don't play games on these older machines, so I can do whatever I need to with Linux. My fast machine with lots of RAM and a good graphics card runs Windows. I need it for my games. I'd really like a Mac, but not because it would really let me do anything that I can't do now, I'd just like to have one for testing the software I write.
If all the person needs to do is read e-mail and surf the web, a properly configured Linux system will work just fine for them. If they like to run a bunch of special programs, they may be better off with Mac or Windows. Windows is practically a must for anyone who plans on playing games.
The only that really matters is what will get the job done for you.
Yes, Mac is so great that they have to use proprietary hardware in order to provide substandard HAL support. Yes its so great to still have to dual boot windows to play 90% of games on the market where Microsoft has skewed Hardware level Standards.
Dude, I don't know who you are, or you you claim to be, but you look dumber then 40 year old virgin on crack still trying to find a way out of your grandmothers basement.
You are so lost on the real problems behind the construction of UI and HAL and Non-HAL components that you make me want to throw-up in my mouth.
Ha, mac has such great hardware support my ass, go try to pick up a piece if x86 x86_64 compatible hardware and plop that bitch in your little mac cube and see how far you get past the blank screen for me, unless you get the special one that says MAC on it.
Get a brain, Get life, do something but stop wasting bandwidth that can be used for more important things.
Just from reading this article and the responses ot it, makes me proud to be a Linux user.
Linux sucks, blah,blah.blah. Linux users are nerds and freetards, blah,blah,blah. I certainly hope Linux never becomes user friendly for everyone. It will have to be dumbed down enough and then the security headaches will start.
So, stick to Windows you whiners. and you Mac users can continue to spend large sums of money for proprietary hardware to run your software without the benefit of customizing your machine however you want to.
I can do anything a Windows user can do and more with this Linux desktop, except play Windows based games, and I donate money to certain distros as well.
Maybe someone needs to serve some cheese with all of the whine on this blog.
I swear, just like a bunch of crackheads...heh, Wincrack. I love how you tout Windows so much just because you're to stupid to understand anything else (witch trials anyone?). I've been using Linux for years, simply because of it's ease of use. I recently switched my work laptop from XP to Linux after finding out about the stealth update, I don't know about the rest of you incompetent fools, but I don't want some idiot able to get into my computer at a moments notice and bring it to a grinding halt. As for the ease of use, Windows crashed on my laptop some time ago, after reinstalling it, I found out that I had to download, burn, and re-install every single driver to every piece of hardware. I couldn't even connect to the internet through the phone, or network connections. My switch to Linux was also fraught with peril (bet that'll keep %90 of you Wincrackheads stumped for hours), I had to hit enter, type in a username/password combo and boom, about 20 minutes later (1/3 the time it takes Windows to install mind you), I came back to a fully working laptop, even my built-in webcam worked (with a much better quality than any I've seen on Windows). Not to mention the fact that I can guarantee that almost any Windows user could look at my laptop, play around with it, or whatever, and so long as they don't actually stumble across the all-powerful penguin (ya knew it was coming eventually), they'd never even know it wasn't Windows.
"Desktop Linux, however, is a different story, and in your heart of hearts you know this. It's a bad imitation of Windows and can't even come close to OS X"
Are you crazy? The truth is that Windows XP/Vista are actually imitations of first versions of KDE. Where do you think that startup menu on Windows XP came? KDE had that a long time ago.
Or are we talking about sym/hardlinks or maybe running apps as poweruser (yes we always had sudo). Just think how many time m$ users had to wait to have this. The way Vista keeps its security sucks anyway.. I really don't know who could work with its system always popping up asking questions.
The truth is Linux is not for the masses and we don't want it for the masses.
Just keep with our marvelous system full of anti-virus and anti-adware and anti-xxx.. I'm glad you are all happy with your system's productivity (cof cof) and those nice features we create and you patent.
For those who knows:
Doesn't feel great having a true 64 bit system fully optimized for our processor (Vista doesn't count). Also 2Gb of RAM, about 200Mb for the whole system and the rest for whatever we want (mostly productivity)?
well Vista sucks so much ass that i think its pretty much a done deal- someone will deliver the coup-de-grace...
what a bloated peice of crap.
-Linux on desktop?
go for it. it works today. it worked 5 years ago... etc...
are you waiting for all your watercooler buddies in biz casuals to say its ok?
open office- well if MS office insists on keepings its file formats proprietary to protect its market share, i could imagine even the best revers engineering will have some flaws... but it actually works pretty well! better than the intereoperability you get with different versions of MS products sometimes...
fact is- linux is this collaborative project where the best ideas go where they need to.
you can actually see whats under the hood.
try that with windows...
its a locked box.
what if you dont like all that DRM crap they built in?
sorry too bad.
as people have pointed out- opensource and free software are the basis for much of the IT economy now- from Apple, to Apache
very limited uses for IIS sorry- its a no go for commercial webservice...
academic computing, embedded devices, etc... all running linux...
as to whether the average consumer will go there- well who the hell cares?
its a perfectly viable option for most peoples needs
only the perception that its "not ready for primetime" exists...
and you people furthering that... whatever. get a life...
You guys have obviously never tried a modern Linux distro on any kind of recommended hardware with any kind of honesty/open mind.
Any one who says that the capabilities of Linux are behind OSX or Windows is either not being honest (b/c they are protecting an income source maybe?) or they are complete assclowns.
It is true that Linux lacks _a little_ of the polish of commercial systems, but it is clearly far ahead in many ways.
It kind reminds me of My boss's boss who says "I don't want any linux in here", but he has chosen to put in:
Cisco Callmanager - runs on linux
Intrusion Detection system - runs on linux
Upgrading Checkpoint firewalls - will run on linux
Bandwidth monitoring - runs on linux
spam filter runs on linux
etc,etc,etc.
BTW, I upgraded my system the other day, took a few clicks and a few minutes, upgrade not only all OS, but every application on my system - but my 'freetard' system doesn't cut it.
If Linux is really to hard for you, maybe you are just idiots who should be on a computer...
OK Mactards, the real story is how you pay through the nose to use old news software and equipment, when the best is available for much less.
Face it Apple has switched to Intel and Linux - why do you think this is so? Graphics - the very last holdout for Mac - is switching to Windows in droves. Even Adobe now supports Windows more than Mac - DUH!! more users = more business = more money. See even Mactards can catch on.
The fact that Mac is underlying OSX with Linux just underscores the point of how lame the company's products have. How very Steve Jobs of you to try and turn that into a
success.
Long live open standards - long and painful death to the Mac!! Oh wait no, they make Ipods now... or is it phones? They definitely suck at making 'puters...
What a malice-spitting article! This is the first and the last time I read the post of this author. It is amazing, what a joy a person can have from calling people names and from swearing!
I believe that the very first comment by sulis was very close to hitting the target. Yes, IBM and other companies sponsor Linux and other free software projects, but 1) this is not the only and not the main driving force of Linux development, 2) the results of that are available to everybody in the world at the same price level, namely zero.
No, Microsoft is not a drug dealer, it sells very useful software which powers computers of majority of home users and lots of enterprises. But the key difference is that it will never make Windows and Office available in US and Europe for $3, and the price of those in China will grow over time. That is why comparison to a drug dealer empasizes a key point, although it is not correct overall.
This is a normal practice for financial companies to give a loan to a start-up to build dependence (at least for a while) and to earn money. Microsoft earns money, they are great at it, and they will be always finding ways to do it. If their business needs that, they would rebrand Linux (or better BSD, whose license is permissive enough for that) and sell it with their add-ons as Microsoft Windows 20xx, without a second of doubt. Business is business!
Well, as little as saliva-spitting authors care about Linux, free software users care little about market share of Windows. Lots of people will continue to use and develop free software for other reasons than market share and "conveninece", and it is enough to keep it going. Hey, projects like FreeBSD keep high pace with a fraction of market share of Linux!
We have better use for our saliva...
Now I find some post which is worthless. You've got to face the facts: a Linux Desktop can be in many ways superior to any closed-source desktop when fully upgraded. Enough said about the desktop. Linux is more stable, by the way, and yes, the Linux Community has had many years to upgrade the desktop, and now, as it is starting to grow, and as users demand a better environment, it is being under constant and effective development.
You can get many facts about why Linux is better than any other OS out there. For now I don't have enough links, but you may google for "why linux is better", and you'll find a site with that title. Oh, and just in case you didn't know, everytime you use Google, you are experiencing the power of Linux. ;)
Will you censor me?
Wine is a very good simulator of windows. not for cracking Windows. If it's passes WGA it just shows weakness of WGA.
AFOH: Linux may be more customizable and secure than other operating systems, but Windwos and OS X are more USABLE. With Windows and OS X, you don't have to waste hours writing code just to make most stuff work. It's just that Linux zealots think that torturing themselves writing commands to make even trivial thing work makes them 1337, hence "superior" to Windows and Mac users, who can get their computers to do what they want without pain and frustration.
Windows Vista System Requirements
PC with 1-GHZ Processor min / 1.5-GHZ Processor and higher recommended
1GB of RAM (system memory) Min
4GB of RAM Maximum (32 bit ?)
40-GB hard disk Min
Support for DirectX 9 graphics and 128 MB of graphics memory
Internal or external DVD drive
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Linux System Requirements
Ubuntu 256MB min/384MB Recommended
minimum 300 MHz/Recommended 700 MHz
Fedora 256MB min/512MB Recommended
opensuse 256MB min/512MBrecommended
Mandriva 256MB min/512MBrecommended
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Xubuntu 192MB min/256MB Recommended
minimum 166 MHz/Recommended 300 MHz
vector Linux standard Edition 256MB
vector Linux Light Edition 128MB
TinyMe 64MB min / 128MB Recommended
Zenwalk 128MB min/256MB Recommended
Puppy 128MB min / 256MB Recommended
Slackware 64MB min/128MBrecommended
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
Why Linux still runs faster than Windows
Windows and Linux running on the exact same hardware...
Linux will still run faster than Windows...
http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/why-linux-still-runs-faster-than-windows-14828
As a Linux user myself it really bothers me whenever I get lumped in with Linux-desktop advocacy kooks. Linux, as a Unix analogue is really interesting and fun to use especially as a computer science student; however if I wanted to do the things that the average consumer/computer user desires I would most certainly use Windows. However it should remain obvious to all but the Linux-desktop advocates and the semi-computer literate, both which seem to populate this blog, that Linux as a Unix analogue is in an entirely different universe than Microsoft Windows. Microsoft Server just cannot compete with Unix-like operating systems. I grew up using Mac OS not OS X but the real Mac OS, as it was then, it is now, Mac OS is not a competitor to Windows and never will be and neither is Linux-desktop. If Linux desktop-advocates continue to emphasis desktop expansion they will have no alternative except to become a silly little sect as Macintosh users have become. Please bear in mind that those of us who use Linux as a Unix analogue for education, enjoyment, and to eventually earn a lot of money, we don't really care if Linux conquers the desktop. I would just as soon as use any other Unix-like operating system. If using a computer is playing World of Warcraft then stick to Windows; if using a computer is acting snarky while prominently displaying your glowing Apple logo at Starbucks while you work on your never finished novel then stick to Macintosh; if you're a mouth breathing nerd who dresses like an elf and then use Linux-desktop. If you're interested in having a viable career and learning an interesting rich operating system then stick to Unix.
Certainly good fodder. I use Ubuntu Linux on my desktop, but would never install it on my dad's machine 'cause I'd never stop supporting it for many of aforementioned reasons.
Of course, no one's mentioned the elephant in the room: Apple is the greatest monopolistic, degenerate abuser of software users around.
Just like the Mac OS before it, Steve leads a raiding party on everyone's good ideas, wraps it up in some weird free-base cocaine, and then whines about how MS is anti-competitive, all while keeping a tight lid on anyone hoping to offer software for any of his products and suing into oblivion anyone who wants to sell alternative hardware that runs his OS-de-jure.
Windows may be the most usable, Linux is at least inspired. Apple is merely venal.
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