Oh no we didn't? Oh yes we did. NBC wants to go bragging about how they're not going to renew their contract with us? So we fire back. No NBC shows for sale on iTunes this fall. See here. These guys want to play hardball? Just fine. We loves to rumble. Call Clemenza, because we're going to the mattresses. Smack down time, motherzucker. (Photo by Dale Taint for Women's Wear Daily.)
Friday, August 31, 2007
Right back atcha, NBC
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So so painful looking *Grimaces*
Though that's what i feel like when those monopoly TV and music companies take off Itunes.
Oh now we didn't?
Perhaps you meant Oh no we didn't?
This is going to get end badly... for NBC.
$5 an episode?
Do they realize they finished last in the ratings last year?
Please make the new iPod support my NBC DivX torrent Fake Steve.
Photog Dale may want to consider changing his surname to something less ambiguous. Taint this, taint that... You get the idea.
NBC: u just got pwned.
Hahah! Go Apple! Go FSJ!
Suck it, network TV.
I'm personally going to boycott NBC/Universal shows and movies on TV and in the theaters. It's better entertainment watching their ratings tank even more than the crap they are giving us these days anyway.
I'm really glad that NBC supports bit torrent. iTunes is certainly more convenient to get my Office episodes but I'll settle for "free."
First "choad" and now "taint". FSJ, you're taking me back to halcyon college days (that's 'cause we were always taking it). And I like it.
Nice photo credit
Hmmm...that guy is actually getting a faceful of "taint" in the picture!
Yeah! Go Apple! You should drop ALL TV shows and videos (except for maybe a few Pixar shorts)! That'll show 'em!
i like in the article that they say that apple is using them to push their products. but they get 100% of the revenue from the show, so i don't know what they are complaining about.
FUCK YOU NBC AND UNIVERSAL.
i will illegally download all your shit now.
APPLE FOR THE WIN!
Well, NBC asked for a bitch-slap and it got one, didn't it? :- ) Messing with the Jobster is a ba-a-ad idea.
Dear God, these guys make music industry execs look smart.
LOL - i dont need 50 million dollars either. I hope they just throw a bunch of iphones in their eyeballs.
someone mentioned that shows get specced by production companies then they try to sell to studios.
Its absolutely true.
Apple should start a media division for both music and movies and put some real product out in the marketplace and bypass these suckers that think they own the media world because they had a monopoly on the production and distribution of entertainment for the last 60+ years. They owned the airwaves of radio and television, all outdated technologies replaced by the internet. If these guys cant see that the entire face of the game has changed and want to continue to throw their obscenely fat asses around and cry like babies to get their way, maybe its time for someone with true vision to beat them at their own game.
Steve...that dude is you.
FSJ,
I don't even watch the crap when it's over-the-air free, so no skin off my teeth how much they want per show. Shit is shit, and ain't any cheaper by the pound, but these idiots want to charge more? As the infamous emad would post: LOL!
I love it. The phrase "hoist by their own petard" comes to mind. WTF is Zucktard thinking? Here's a form of distribution (iTunes) that he doesn't have to worry about (pay for servers, bandwidth, staff, etc.), yet makes money for NBC. Just wait until Zucktard figures out how much it will cost to do it on his own and how much $ NBC stands to lose by not having iTunes as a revenue avenue.
-Mykel
so clemenza works with moshe now or something?? shit, that's a scary duo…
Ah, Steve-o, great stuff. I love it when someone steps up.
Maybe we'll all look back in a few years time and say these exchanges were just the first jabs, ducks and weaves of the biggest almighty feckin' fight of the digital age. Everything up to now has been a warm-up, a few harsh words at the weigh-in. From here on it'll be body blows, blood on the canvas and flying gum shields.
Then again, it could be feck all. But Jesus, I do love a feckin' good punch-up.
"The biggest things in a teenager's life -- other than cars and dope -- they can get from us."
You've mentioned the iCar partnership with VW, but what about the drug angle. Will there be an iBong?
What's really sad is that professional wrestling used to be a lucrative profession. So many professions used to be like that. I guess you can add "Television Executive" to the list. Those NBC bastards -- first they cancel Star Trek, and now this. They've made a fool out of me for the last time, I swear it.
hulu will be the biggest thing since zune marketplace or sony connect...
...if by 'biggest thing' you mean 'dramatic embarrassment and severely negative cash flow'
The story is already high on digg.com now. Found this in the comments to be quite amusing:
"For five bucks an episode, it better be hard-core porn starring Elle MacPherson, Scarlet Johansen and Natalie Portman, 1080p, and surround-sound."
Steve, it wasn't, right?
(even more fun: the user's nick is "NSResponder")
Fox + NBC = hulu.com
That's the punchline! Who came up with this name? And who approved it?
Apple, through iTunes, is the recording/distribution company of today and perhaps future. All content owners are scared that Apple's domination is going to erode any power & control they have over their future.
Networks, studios and recording companies must be grappling with some basic economics lessons:
1. flat pricing: average shows earn some money because they are cheap/fairly priced and hit/popular shows earn loads of money based on volume
2. pricing by content value: average shows earn some money if its priced by demand and hit shows earn higher per unit price and slightly lower volume than #1.
3. pricing by customer's max ability to pay. achieved through various channels and timing of release (high early, lower later - like DVDs)
Which one gives the best return is their question/dilemma. They clearly don't like Apple's flat/simple system (#1).
Remember it is NOT NBC it is MSNBC they have been assimilated. Do you really think any company would actually do this that was able to think? It is obvious the borg are now in control at NBC and the Zucktard is using group think emanating from Redmond.
They didn't pull the big guns yet. Next up: No iPhones for NBC execs. Or their families.
Then watch them crawl back to the negotiating table...
They didn't pull the big guns yet. Next up: No iPhones for NBC execs. Or their families.
Then watch them crawl back to the negotiating table...
re:"and how much $ NBC stands to lose by not having iTunes as a revenue avenue."
Probably not a whole lot. And I recall they've been trying to enter into the same space since YouTube got aquired by Google. Problem is - I don't want to watch full-screen .flv's. I'd like some nicely aliased h.264's.
That said - the investor reaction will be interesting come Tuesday. Even if it's not pulling down much scratch now - it WAS a revenue stream. And investors don't like seeing numbers dip period. Even worse when it could have seen larger numbers down the road as more users abandon normal viewing habits and surf and view on-demand.
Not a smart move by the Number 4 (and falling) Television Network. Perhaps its this kind of thinking that keeps them down?
Time for the final offer FSJ, you know the one where you say 'nothing', and I would appreciate it Zucktard if you would personally pay the $1.99 charge for every downloaded piece of shit NBC show. Then you set up the whole fake brothel thing with Moshe, anyhow you've seen the movie.
$4.99 a show? Cable TV is, like, $40 - $50 a month. How do they figure people will pay $5 a show, anyway, when you can hook up to an antenna and get them for free? Tivo them. Tivo to go them. Slingbox them.
I ain't buyin' a lot at a buck ninety nine.
@mgabrys
There was a comment on the Ars Technica forum about the profit NBC have just lost.
NBC shows accounted for ~$200 million of Apple's revenue in the last quarter (according to filings of ~$500 million and statements from NBC/Apple about the 3 of their shows accounting for 30% of sales + some other profit, apparently).
Assuming Apple make get the same percentage on video as they get on audio (or roughly 8% of the total), that puts NBC's losses at ~2.5 billion dollars.
A billion here, a billion there, soon enough it adds up to real money... someone's going to have to explain why they just chose not to take $2.5B from Apple on a plate... Remember, there are zero costs to NBC for this delivery mechanism - Apple do all the work (encoding, storage, transport, fulfillment) and just deliver hard cash to NBC...
No "Seinfeld" on iTunes, I guess.
It figures. You seem more like a "Friends" kind of guy.
Such a pity.
hulu when the disaster happens = hu-nu
Spanish authorities
accuse 14-year-old of terrorism:
!!Documentary Campaign!!!
Spanish authorities have prosecuted a child for terrorism! Incredible but true!
14-year-old Èric Bertran e-mailed companies requesting labeling in
Catalan language, using the "Phoenix" monicker from the Harry Potter
books. The Spanish police accused him of organizing an Al Qaeda cell.
The authorities took him all the way to the Spanish High Court.
From August 27 to September 2, we're getting the word out, through
blogs, press releases, and other media. Here's the idea: We want this
film about the Èric Bertran case to be seen as many times as possible
from September 3rd to 9th, so that it ends up ranking in the "most
watched" circuit.
Through this coordinated effort, with the help of new communications
and information technologies, we hope to get some international
coverage of this case, and the true deficit of democracy in the
Spanish State, as well as the fact that the Catalan people are now
demanding their right to define themselves as a sovereign nation.
The documentary has been uploaded to YouTube in five parts. Here's the
link to the first part of the video, for the purposes of the mass
viewing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIiRFSCgGu4
Read more about the bogus terrorism charge at: www.victoralexandre.cat
Juvenile Èric Bertran was prosecuted for demanding labelling in Catalan language, a right given to him by the Spanish Constitution. This is a democratic state within modern Europe?
Watch the video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3666585673568780060&hl=en
Or, see the film in 5 parts on YouTube, go to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIiRFSCgGu4
There's even a play! http://www.ericielfenix.cat/
It's such a joy to watch some bastards have their asses handed to them.
FSJ, forget this petty squabbling. Get down to the bottom line. When is Leopard out so I can go buy the iMac?
Getting antsy.
Space Cowboy .. revenue is not profit. If Apple had $200m revenue on NBC shows then that is before they pay NBC (and hosting and bandwidth costs), not after.
Assuming your 8% for Apple is correct then that's $192m to NBC, not $2,400m.
Leopard? iMac? What the hell are you talking about?
OK, so now NBC is claim "Oh Noes! Its not about teh pricing its about bundling shows to be more attractive to customers!"
In other words, buy crap you don't want to get the show you DO want. Morons.
Hello? 21st Century? Hello?! Anyone in there?
Well, The Saint is coming to TV again and it won't be on NBC this time (like it was when Roger Moore played Simon Templar and drove a white Volvo P1800 around -- so everything is still right with the world!
Spaced cowboy:
I know you're just quoting someone else's figures but ummm.... no. Not nearly that big. Put another way: sounds like Dell math.
"For five bucks an episode, it better be hard-core porn starring Elle MacPherson, Scarlet Johansen and Natalie Portman, 1080p, and surround-sound."
Actually I'd pay $9.99... plus TAX for this.
How iTunes Saved The Office:
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2006/11/1/5814
The problem, El Jobso, is that you are paying them so you can save their shows. Maybe it you CHARGED them, they'd appreciate it.
Now... what kind of 'tards' would you say they are.
That's not fair, the guy in the black shorts has only got one leg.
@gliderguider.
I may have been misusing the term revenue... Here's what I was trying to say.
1) Apple recognised 200M in revenue from NBC's shows.
2) Apple's take of the $2 is ~8%. Out of which comes bandwidth, encoding, etc. They actually make 2-3% profit.
3) Therefore the total take is 2.5B. Anything not Apple's is NBC's, therefore NBC lose $2.3B.
Apple don't own the content, they sell it under licence, so all they can recognise as revenue is their cut as a distributor.
Since NBC have to do *nothing* apart from cash the cheques, this is entirely profit from their point of view.
Blah. i want to know when you are going to kill the iPod...noone really uses those things, anymore, anyways. Go creative! :)
The only winners in this spat are the other networks. Now iTunes can devote more space/time to promote the other shows instead of NBC's. They are smart enough to let Apple do the work then sit back and cash the checks. Fans of NBC shows will simply get them via P2P or tivo them. Since iTunes has been an excellent venue for introducing new shows, the only loser here is NBC as their new shows sink into irrelevance.
Perhaps it's best for Apple to start their own "network" and sign up original content from production companies. Cut out the middlemen and bring quality shows directly to iTunes. Maybe that's what NBC was afraid of in order to pull this bluff?
Since we all love recursive acronyms so much, I thought of one for NBC once all of this is over and Zucker is curled up whimpering in a ball...
N B C
B lows
C hicken
spaced cowboy and other mouth-breathers. your numbers aren't remotely correct. try some minimal research that involves looking beyond a blog comment board. apple sold 50M tv shows in the first half of this year. that's in the wsj last week - you can look it up. call it 100M for the year = 200 million dollars, total, for tv revenue at itunes, a year. so $60M to $80M for nbc shows. apple keeps about a third of that -- i'll let you do the math on that one on your own. good luck. dipshits.
F**K NBC/Universal. Go FSJ!
bitTorrent, good to know you, we'll be close friends from now on.
We are signing up independents and production houses directly now. Who needs greedy bastards like NBC/Universal??
This is really going to hurt when we release the new syncing modules for your video iPods that will synchronize 60 GB in 1.8 seconds. We are going to fully leverage this development to become the King of Web 2.0...just you watch us. :)
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