So the Ones Who Must Be Obeyed accepted my offer to fly out here but they pushed the schedule up a bit. The guy who talked to my lawyer on the phone last night got on a red-eye to the East Coast and I went to see him this morning in a suite at the Four Seasons, even though my lawyer, Tony Clifton, who lives in New York, could not attend and had told me not to agree to anything but just to listen and hear the guy out and report back to him. I won't use the Apple dude's name here, for the sake of I don't know what -- decency? -- but I'll tell you how it went down.
The guy is maybe in his early forties, very friendly and polite, seems like a decent enough person, wearing some funky teeny-tiny eyewear and a blue suit with a fresh shirt and tie, which is I guess his way of reminding me that he's a real live lawyer but otherwise he's totally down to earth, big handshake and a smile that seems genuine. He's had pastries and fruit salad and juice and coffee brought up, and offers me some, and we both get a cup of coffee and settle into a pair of easy chairs for our chat and it's all very informal and relaxed, not some big hard-ass negotiation over a conference table.
He starts out by saying that he's read all my stuff about the Think Secret situation and he's been brought up to speed on my own interaction with the guy on his staff and he wants me to know he apologizes for the way things have been handled in some of the recent correspondence and so-and-so is one of the younger members of the staff and maybe a bit overeager and, don't take this the wrong way, but he's maybe a bit too much of an East Coast kind of guy, and there was never meant to be any threat to me and it seems like maybe there was just some misunderstanding on my part about some of the letters I received and he can see how that might happen but he wants me to know we're not having this conversation as adversaries, blah blah.
In other words, Relax, we're not going to sue you, and even though one of my punk kids got all Glengarry Glen Ross on you and threatened to have Katie Cotton beat your punk ass into oblivion (photo), in fact that's not what we meant, except that we did, but not really. Or something.
He says that in fact Apple did not force Nick Ciarelli to shut down his blog, he wanted to shut it down anyway and so an agreement was reached and it really worked out really well for both sides. He also says that in terms of Apple's reaching out to me he's here because everyone at Apple really admires the blog, and the company wants to help me take the next step in my career and move onto the next thing, which they're sure could be even bigger than FSJ, and while certainly there's a monetary component to that there are also other ways in which they'd like to help me. However, regarding the money, he thinks I'm looking at this thing the wrong way and he hopes I'll give him a chance to explain why he thinks there's another way to view this, which is that imagine you're a really avid surfer, but one day you realize you need to get a job.
And a condition of the job is that you have to be in the office five days a week, Monday through Friday from nine to five, so you can't go surfing. In other words, you've sold some of your freedom for money. And so maybe what we're talking about with the blog is giving up a little of your freedom in exchange for money, but this is a transaction we're all making every day.
Then he says he's prepared to offer me two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and he says that while he can't tell me what Nick Ciarelli got I can feel confident that this is a very good offer on Apple's part.
I'm like, Dude, do you realize that guys like Nick Ciarelli don't write their blogs because they want to hurt you, they write their blogs because they love Apple? And do you not also realize that you could put a lot of this stuff to rest simply by announcing product roadmaps instead of living under the cone of silence and locking yourselves down like some kind of weird Scientology cult and threatening to ruin people who write about you?
He says, I can go to three hundred thousand.
I'm like, Dude, no, okay? Look, do you not realize how nasty and offensive that offer is? Do you not understand why it's wrong to offer someone money to stop writing about your company? Sure, Nick Ciarelli is just some college kid with a blog, and I'm just some dope writing jokes, but where does this end? It's the principle of the thing, isn't it? So forget the offer, because I'm not going to take it, but let's just talk like two human beings, and what I really want to know is, how can you do this job?
He sits there. He says, I can go to four hundred thousand.
I go, Look, even if you're not a nice guy, even if you have nothing but a little tiny black piece of coal for a heart, can't you see why it's a lousy idea for Apple to pay reporters to go dark? Do you not realize how Putin-esque this is? And okay, sure, in Russia they're a bit less sophisticated and they just kill the reporters they don't like, so maybe you get points for being more civilized but do you really not get why this is a bad idea for you? Really? Because even if there are people who are willing to take the money and shut down, even if Nick Ciarelli really did want to shut down his blog, do you not realize how incredibly awful it looks for you to attach the payment of money to the shutdown of a blog? Do you realize what a terrifying precedent this sets?
Think about your brand. What does Apple stand for? It's about freedom. It's about independence. It's about people who think different. The crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. Maybe I'm an idiot but I actually believed that stuff. I guess I'm naive. I really wanted to believe that you meant that stuff, and maybe by wanting to believe in that I allowed myself to get duped. 
But you guys put Martin Luther King Jr. in your ads. And John Lennon. You had Gandhi in your ads. Gandhi, dude. Think about that. Think about what Gandhi did in his life, what he stood for, the price he paid for freedom of expression. You drag out a symbol like that, it's a pretty loaded reference, isn't it? It's a pretty powerful metaphor. I mean Gandhi is not just some celebrity dipshit singer like John Mayer. He's not some guy you'd trot out just to flog a product. You drop the G-bomb and you're trying to say something about the kind of company you aspire to be. But now you're paying off reporters to stop writing about you? What the fuck has happened to you guys?
He says, I'm authorized to go as high as five hundred thousand dollars, but that's it.
I'm like, Dude, are you not even listening? No, dude! The answer is no! For your sake as well as mine, no! Please, for the love of all things holy, go back to Cupertino and tell them to stop doing this! I'm begging you. It's important. Tell them this: Siooma. Siooma, siooma, siooma.
By then he'd already put on his coat and picked up his briefcase and was on his way out the door. After he was gone I called Tony Clifton and told him what happened and he's like, Well, my friend, you really screwed the pooch on this one. A half million? And you turned it down? Well, good for you, you dumb prick. It's like I always say -- some people deserve to be poor. Merry Christmas, moron.
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Tony Clifton? Good one. Anyone who is still thinking any of this is real should google Andy Kaufman and Tony Clifton. And go for a walk. Turn the computer off. Like I am now.
I knew I recognized 'Tony Clifton' from somewhere.
FSJ, this is a totally awesome way to go - very creative, and invoking images of a Kaufman-like escape really fits your style. Bravo.
Whahaha, you make it sound like a Godfather type of situation. Well done!
Oh man, FSJ, I just hope you're not actually using the fake story as a way to end the blog, because I really enjoy it. If it's just to have some fun over Christmas, that's great, but please tell me this isn't the end.
Take the half a million and donate it to charity - here's a christmas cheer website for you.
Or at least you better do that before they bring in Guido who I bet pops up in the next installment!
Awesome writing FSJ - go out big!
Good post. Although I'd take the 500,000. If it were true of course.
FSJ - I know this is a lame request, but could you please clarify if this whole lawsuit story is real or a Kaufmanesque play?
I'm asking since apparently I'm not the only one confused - http://reddit.com/info/63q1r/comments/ - and, if its real, I'm going to have to start looking for a laptop in place of the Macbook I was about to buy after New Years'. Thanks!
It sounds like you already have a lot of money. If you have a boat, a rental property, etc then perhaps 500K isn't a big deal for you. Or perhaps this isn't true at all. Nobody in their right mind would just say (paraphrased) "screw you" to 500K without first talking to your lawyer.
Maybe the deal would allow you to continue with a different blog, maybe not, but just saying NO to 500K is irresponsible if it's true.
Guess your kids already have golden spoons in their mouths.
You're the champ!
http://andykaufman.jvlnet.com/champ.jpg
dont care whether its a joke or not. this is some great stuff. please keep the blog going. by the way, i am sending this from an apple store.
Okay, I'm feeling better now, too. You got me pretty good. In fact, so good I can't even be mad at you. This is an epic drama, brilliantly executed. I just hope it doesn't end with the folding of the blog.
Sophisticated, sly, savage, ironical.
Sure you're an American, Steve-O?
In the end, Andy Kaufman really did have lung cancer, even though many people thought he was fooling them.
FSJ- Is this for real?
Agreed with bobdmac. As much as you made me look like a sucker, I can't be mad. Well, not that mad anyway.
When do you post the bit about finding the severed head of a horse in your bed? Will that be tonight?
So totally meta, man.
hats off
I love you man
peace out
okay so now this just turned into "amazing".
Kudos. Seriously.
I was totally taken in by this. Brilliant.
Way to demonstrate absurdity by being absurd. This is your best work yet. Play this out as long as you can. By the way, Merry Christmas to you and your family.
Just make sure whatever deal you take is grossed up for taxes, plus your fees, etc.
I owe you a beer, or a coffee or something.
ok. Anyone that actually believed this story please turn in your Apple products to the nearest Apple retail outlet. If you still believe it after this morning's post- well, I can't really say what you should do without getting a post deleted...
At the end of this very long blog entry I caught on to the reference between the Andy Kaufman picture and Tony Clifton. I laughed for a good 5 minutes. Fake Steve you continue to entertain me.
Hey FSJ ... You nailed the feelings of a lot of people about the Think Secret shutdown deal. I've been such a strong devotee of Apple since the late 80s, but the shutdown of Think Secret seemed so antithetical to the philosophy of a company that used to be more worried about making "insanely great" products, than controlling spin. It was disappointing, if nothing else.
Damn, you have all my respect which anyone can get form me. Just do your great job and don't be upset with them.
Brilliant!
What a treat you gave us this weekend! - thanks!
oh my god, people still thinking it is real and congratulating on doing such a good laugh!! ROTFLMAO
Just another quick note to let you know how embarrassing it is, after months of ridiculing commentards, to be turned into a satiretard myself. Good job, Goddamnit.
great stuff. bravo.
to think of all the spam RSJ got because of this... still twas funny yo.. haha
Demand Apple stock, or better yet, OPTIONS!!!
That's what I would do. That way, you meet them "half way" and in three years, you'll be sitting on two mil.
VS
p.s. I guess this means I'm not going to get my GPS...
Beautiful... just beautiful.
Every time I think you're starting to slide, you come back and blow us all away.
Poetry.
Dear FSJ : I honor the place where your sense of humor and mine become one. Namaste. Peace out. And Merry Xmas to you and your (fake)lawyer ;-)
Crap! I'm confused.
At first, I thought it was more FSJ satire. Brilliant and all that. I responded in kind.
Then, I realized he's broken character and writing as Daniel Lyons. I mean, if he was using FSJ's voice, he would've set Ja'red on the Gulfstream to tell the lawyers to SIOOMA in person. Maybe this is real.
But then there's that Tony Clifton reference at the end and the Andy Kaufman photo. So, I don't know how to respond.
Except to say this. FSJ, frig 'em! RDL, take the money and run.
I've been reading this blog for ages, enjoying it. This hoax is rather fitting, and should make everyone realise how unimportant this whole industry is. However frigging cool the MacBook is, its only plastic and silicon.
Like a previous commenter said, turn off the computer and go for a walk.
Ace blogging.
Did you really call the lawyer Dude?
"I'm like, Dude, are you not even listening? No, dude!"
If this is a hoax, I'm going to be pissed. Oh well, funny stuff, nonetheless.
Anyway, I guess the reason the news sites haven't picked up on this is that they're waiting for confirmation that this is a hoax.
If it's not a hoax...what are you thinking, man? Take the $500,000 and shut down FSJ. Start up another site called The Real Fake Steve Jobs. Get half-million for shutting it down. Repeat.
That, my friends is the magic ???? between "Steal Panties" and "Profit".
You have a new Fan here. Even if this is fiction, is the reality of todays society. Corporations owns everything of what we see, hear or read. While their portrait themselves as good will people. Their truth and moral values are just who many zeros after the one they have. And they don't care in rights or freedom. They only care on their interest and their power.
Respect.
This weekend's escapade finally tipped me into buying the book too
I frequently use Clifton & Kaufman as my legal firm of choice.
Happy Holidays, Dan. You've really outdone yourself this past couple of days. Bravo.
I want to shut down my computer, but I can't! I have to keep refreshing this page to see what's new. (sigh)
This is painfully brilliant. FSJ, you're the man. I know, I'm preaching to the choir, you eat lunch with dudes like Ives. Just don't pull a Think Secret and vanish. Ever. The internet will implode. Know your role.
Merry Christmas to you, your now safe-from-legal-woes family, and your readers.
He's posting on a Sunday. He hardly ever posts on a Sunday. Bullshit or not, it's clear you're headed out, FSJ, and it makes me sad.
You've been a serious kick in the pants and this whole fucking world needs to lighten up and laugh more and you gave us a million yucks (remember Brithey's snapper? Yoko wearing sunglasses, the original "SIOOMA?" God Almighty).
Thanks for everything.
Dude, my wife bought me your book for Christmas. I hope it's half as withering and hilarious as that post.
That was the best rant on hush money I've ever read.
Namaste, FSJ, you crazy diamond.
I guess we should all start Apple Blogs and cash in!
If Apple is silly enough to toss $.5M to anyone who correctly guesses what they will do next.
Hey Apple you will make a multitouch tablet computer sometime in the next two years!
Five-hundred thousand dollars please.
Dude! you just killed the Golden Goose! Bloggers around the world could have milked the Apple Cow for generations to come! Accepting the offer would have not shut down people blogging about Apple, it would have opened the floodgates! And that, my friend, would have really taught those corporate dips what a bad idea it really was!
Fookin' Tony Clifton. He was our sound guy when we were "The Hype."
Fookin' frigtard, he was. Didn't know the difference between "Line In" and "Line Out." I don't either to this day, but that's beside the fookin' point, innit?
BTW, all I got from you is a friggin' singing Hallmark e-card?
Couldn't even spring for the postage?
Cheap bastard.
Well, I'm off. Me n' the missus are off to The Vatican- I'm stadin' in for His Holiness for the Christms Day reading.
Love ya, brother. Peace during this holiday seasons, eh?
PS sorry on the spelling errors dere, brother. This fookin' flat iMac keyboard Edge shoved at me.
Call me.
Hmm, you should have mispelled (sp?) Lawyer as Lawler, as in Jerry 'The King', had you throw coffee in the lawyer's face, maybe worked David Letterman and REM (and the 70's TV show Taxi?) in. As is, I don't think there were quite enough Kaufman references in there. Some people still may not get that this is a joke.
Who said anything about FSJ shutting down?? Did Kaufman die after Clifton entered?!
Stevie-boy, you go right ahead and do what yer lawyer suggests...have a super christmas with your family.
Come back less frequently if you like- or not at all if you must-but leave this blog intact..if you can.
Oh man, RDL, *THIS IS ABSO-FRIGGIN-LUTELY BRILLIANT*!!! The comments are priceless! What if it's real / what if it's a hoax? A brilliantly woven tangled web that even Hollywood doesn't have the talent to produce. After a string of posts like this, you've proven you're way too good for Forbes. You've manipulated us, pulled at our heartstrings, made us believe, sucker-punched us and then still there are those who believe it's all real.
Better pack your bags for L.A. and show the movie industry what good writing is all about. Starting a new religion is also an option. Either way, there's hella money to be made!
Best Wishes for the Holidays!
I think you owe us an apology for yesterday, FSJ.
Grand, very grand! *takes off hat and bows*
Happy New Year to you, in jail!
Fake Steve Jobs is Daniel Lyons and since he is fake his FSJ blog deserves being taken down.
What if real Steve Jobs would like to start his own blog but existence of this very blog is stopping him from doing it?
Daniel Eran Dilger has been saying all along that Daniel Lyons was a douche bag and while I was entertained by this blog, I'm finally starting to understand what he was talking about.
Lyons totally misrepresented this Think Secret settlement and that tells me that he genuinely does not like Apple, so I won't be reading this blog anymore from this day forward.
I don't want to get too deep into this discussion, but the Think Secret settlement was never about shutting down free speech. Apple sued to find out who violated their non-disclosure agreements. Say what you want, but when companies like Microsoft are regularly ripping off every great idea Apple has, they can't afford to turn a blind eye to every blogger who spills the beans on a new product.
It has nothing to do with Gandhi, Lennon, or Martin Luther King and everything to do with what's good for Apple business and the innovation they bring to the market.
And to all the guys praising this shill like he's the second coming of Christ, you guys really need to get a life.
Dan, I respect you , though admittedly, I would have taken the money. I am more of a principle-of-the-thing type guy when it comes to this, but 500 grand is a lot. Major respect for you for not selling the trade. Way to go!
OK, you got me. And unfortunately for me, I was bothered enough by what I thought Apple was doing to you that I wrote RSJ (and actually got a response from someone).
So, in the end, I made an ass out of myself in your defense, only to find out that the joke is on me.
Oh well, I can take a joke.
Wow, they offer you $500k and you tell them Siooma?
On some level I could see that... but $500k is still $500k.
But then again, who knows how long you can do the FSJ blog. Personally, I love it, and I hope Forbes is paying you well for it. Most writers might write their entire lives and never get a character which is as popular as FSJ. So I guess in a way it's like paying Charles Schultz to stop writing Heathcliff or something.
A top 5 post easily... so many pressing realities entertained (like, say... America's slow, yet unabated shift toward 'corporatism' or rather 'soft fascism' as some like to call it and the subsequent subversion of both personal and public freedom that go with such a move)..
Amazing really... you truly are becoming (or have become more like it) the Swift of the early 21st century.
Thank you for exposing so much of what is really truly happening in this great world/nation of ours with a smile and wink of an eye - as there is only so much one can take of thinkprogress/crooksandliars/rawstory.com
:)
I love you
Well as a newish reader, I actually sent RSJ an email about this just asking if it were true. Got an email back from his email and katie's saying it's not true and a joke. So, I suppose this settles the argument in my book...
Aaaahh... WTF.... I just realized you said Clifton was your lawyer.
Now I know why Forbes wasn't giving you legal advice, since you are, after all, "A Forbes.com Site".
Ok, you got me. Good one.
Hey Fake,
You ARE chuckling in your eggnog now, aren't you?
OK, you deserve it. (And so does Apple for the whole Think Secret crap. But you really tased 'em, bro!)
Since I've already bought everything you wrote, I'll just have to wait for The Next Big Thing (and may it be as successful as the iPhone).
Enjoy that well-earned holiday smirk...
Well, are you really poor? Sure, we could all use that kind of money, especially if it to not write a blog anymore.
The threats were real. Real enough to scare someone, but once you made them public, suddenly it's from an overeager staff member who's from the "east coast" whatever that means. Well, we know what it means, a little Tony Soprano is what it means. But you made it public, and since they're not Tony Soprano, they have to say it was an understanding and yadda yadda yadda.
Oh, and still considering this too be true, I would think the Tony Clifton name is A. either a coincidence, or B., a fake name for your lawyer.
As the money got more and more, I honestly thought you were going to say you took it. I'm glad to see you didn't, because neither would I.
MEMO TO: CLARK
FROM: ME
DT: TODAY
RE: LAY OFF THE CAFFEINE
-----------------------------------
Clark, my boy; take the website in the spirit its intended. With Christmas just two days away, methinks you take this site (and yourself) WAAAY to seriously.
I'm new to the blog, and haven't really been following. I just read the previous few posts and the current one.
I'd like to say though, that the troubling thing is that this doesn't seem all that unreal. I mean, I'm extremely skeptical most of the time, but I didn't think this might be fake until I read the comments to this post. But I don't think it's because I'm naive or something. It's because I didn't know there was some dispute whether this was real beforehand. And without that knowledge, this didn't seem all that unreasonable. I mean, does anyone here actually think this scenario hasn't been played out for real many, many times, with real people and real companies? I'm sure it does. The fact it's Apple is not that big of a deal to me personally, since I'm not an Apple customer other than my nano.
If it's a lie, it's a damn good one, because it's not really that far-fetched. The only far-fetched thing about it is the turning down of the money so boldly. The vast majority of people would either accept it, or at least think about it.
>And to all the guys praising this shill
Shill? Do you even know what that word means? It doesn't mean "guy who continually makes fun of a company". Look it up.
FSJ,
You GOT ME!!!
I believed everything until this last post!!!!
THAT WAS SO FUNNY I ALMOST PEED MYSELF!!!
Great job!!!!!
(wiping away tears...)
Guys, if you're not sure if this was real, do yourself a favor and Google Andy Kaufman, particularly his wrestling career, and Tony Clifton, before posting anything. Watch a few Kaufman and Clifton videos on YouTube.
Absolutely had me going. Brilliant work, great commentary & imagination, holding a bright light to the absurdity that is 'murkan corporatist/brand loyal zombiedom.
Maybe there is hope for us all, after all.
But probably not.
This is great -- from Fake Steve Jobs to Fake Dan Lyons. Thank you for not waiting until goddam April 1st to post this. I hate that shit.
You low down dirty rat! The karma on this one is all out of whack. If Apple do sue you now you've only yourself to blame.
"Gandhi is not just some celebrity dipshit singer like John Mayer"
Priceless...
Nicely done. You had me going for a while...
This whole thing just confirmed what I already believed.
Not only is DL as shill for Microsoft (see all his previous writing about the great case SCO had and how bad Linux folks are) but he also hates Steve Jobs and Apple.
People who use their journalist power to belittle others do themselves a huge disservice. I really, really hope that Apple does sue DL (and Forbes) into oblivion.
The Real Truth Test:
Apple wouldn't have sent one of their Condors for the negotiation/proposal, they would have sent Bike Hemet Girl and the result would have been, you, dear reader/fan/loyal supporter staring at black screen right now and Mr. Lyons wandering down a back alley, in Manhattan, with an extra $13.47 in his pocket and a wistful, and strangely out of place, smile on his face.
All Zen Warriors know their enemies strengths and WEAKNESSES.
or as any good Boston carpenter knows, the right tool for the right jobs. If they had sent Ms. Cotton,
the amount would have been in the three digit range, but that would have been a bit heavy handed
and lacking éclat...fookin éclat.
Who would have thought this site's best satire would be done out-of-character? All the posts on the Think Secret thing have been fantastic.
FSJ, I was as upset by the Think Secret travesty as you apparently were. Thanks for the eloquent way you revealed your feelings on the matter. Happy Holidays.
By now, most of us believe that the Fake Steve Shutdown Drama is not real. But that doesn't mean that it's a joke.
Dan Lyons, like any other journalist would be upset if a news source (like Ciarelli) were bribed into a shutdown.
This is a great way for him to protest Apple's actions.
I think DL took a whack at Apple which was not deserved . . . while the Borg completely ran entire businesses into the ground (See US v. Microsoft) to maintain a monopoly Apple only sought to protect their inside company secrets to remain competitive. And they have every right to do that . . . no laws were broken. Think Secret published information obtained from company insiders who had signed non disclosures and who were trusted to keep company-confidential information confidential.
Apple has the right to track down and plug leaks of confidential information, the exposure of which could materially harm their business and competitive position.
FSJ jumped the shark on this one. He's off my reading list now.
Agree. Think Secret's mission was to uncover secrets, which is invariably going to violate company nondisclosures, putting them in an adversarial relationship with any company trying to maintain a competitive position.
In true gonzo fashion "Dan Lyons" the writer is now another character in this great blog, but I wonder how he will manage the transitions back to FSJ, cuz this was fun but jarring. Message to RDL: yer treading on dangerous turf, but Hunter would be proud.
oh and to all that think Apple did no wrong...what if this kid worked for the wall street journal and got the same info, how would things be different? think about it, this whole thing comes down to a false distinction between bloggers and journalists, sometimes they are both, and deserve the same protections
The difference is that WSJ editors wouldn't allow publication of information received as a result of nondisclosure violation. It's unethical at best.
Well played...
great discussion material and appreciate your use of Tony Clifton. FYI, it's a discussion subject for me since I've often said that I'd turn down a million if Microsoft asked/told me to give up the fight against mediocrity.
A good chuckle was had. :-)
I wish the Dan Lyons posts were in italics or something as a "guest host." While this drama is kind of intense and interesting now, it has totally destroyed this blog's 4th wall. In a way, the blog has already been shut down...
I will give FSJ/Dan the benefit of doubt that this is all real. That being said, he has gone as far as to say the Apple lawyer is a nice guy, and all that, but never named the Apple lawyer, or gave him a nickname.
Now, what is to say he's not doing the same thing to his lawyer, but instead of naming him Bill Smith, or John Doe, it's Tony Clifton, and we get a witty picture of Andy Kaufman, so for a few of us, we get the connection, even going so far as to make sure we see the picture, telling us the woman is Katie Cotton. There are plenty of people out there that have no clue who Kaufman is.
So if I consider all this to be true, then to me, he's given his lawyer a nickname, because really, who cares if you call your lawyer a nickname, especially if he gets the joke. But you don't name the Apple lawyer anything.
This story's been good for a laugh! But the punchline, quick. Please. It's run it's course already, damn you!
Oh, and the forth wall has been gone since he was "brad stoned" a couple of months ago. But you either can rebuild that wall, or move on. I choose to rebuild it, know its there, and ignore the person behind the curtain. It's more fun that way.
i just keep thinking of the barrage of emails sent off to cupertino because of this...and i can't stop laughing.
isn't it great to be better at something you despise than the people who revel in doing it (ie, blogging and now in a way 'viral marketing')?
point after point after point gets nailed. I wonder what that freetard stevie ray vaughn has to say now.
I see what you did there.
How could Apple do this? What a bunch of CROOKS and BULLIES.
I'm never buying Apple again, ever!
Unless of course they come out with a super sweet new piece of technology like a flashbook or the next gen ipod or iphone or maybe like say, some time of paper thin device that rolls up but is a fully functioning apple pc. Let's just say FUCK APPLE BUT YEAH OK I GUESS I'LL BUY THEIR PRODUCTS AGAIN BECAUSE THEY ARE SO GOOD AND EVEN THO THIS SHIT REALLY ANGERS ME I'LL COOL DOWN AFTER A BIT AND REALIZE THAT A LIFE WITHOUT APPLE IS NO LIFE AT ALL.
What do people make of the edit that's gone on here? A lot of it is sort of toned down now, although I guess it's possible it was just editing for length.
I think you should sue them. 500K sounds somewhat okay at first thought, but you can't live long from that money. I could survive a week or two.
Man, you had to write down 7 articles (okay, one of them consisted of only one line, but anyway, you wrote it)!
If Stallman and the other suckers wouldn't have paid me from the beginning, I never had given minix to anybody!
Shit, just remembered I was to keep quiet about this. Can you delete my post, please?
Well done my friend.
heh. I only read FSJ about once a week, so I have had the opportunity to see the 'fakeness' before getting suckered.
Even though I read the "first" posts on it knowing it was a joke, I am still annoyed. I always enjoyed that this blog was FAKE STEVE JOBS as the fiction. The few posts that were actually credited as Daniel Lyons, I accepted as 'out-of-character, real-life information'. Now I won't be able to trust any of the "out-of-character" comments, either.
Lube! Quick, get the man more lube! He's getting blisters on his palm!
This is a great point to make FSJ.
I almost believed this was real. I can't believe some people still do despite all the hints in the latest post. As others have said, brilliant.
Well, you sure told him! Ghandi, ftw!
You're still free, at least free as in speech. But ME, I'm free as in beer!
Ghandi, ftw!
I just hope you're not really going to stop writing as FSJ, 'cause that shit is FUNNY.
Looks like Apple isn't playing games.
I saw the link below. We know it's obviously not you "Fake Steve" since the site specifically says so at the top... but wait - yours does as well?
http://fakefakestevejobs.blogspot.com/
Well, Dan, I have to confess that you had me going until this post! But these two chareacters were too over-the-top clueless to believe in.
Same as above - I fell for the joke until this post, but that was the point of it, wasn't it. Great twist.
Interestingly, you do have some power over Apple in a way now: all those people ready to dump their new purchases for a competing brand (even if they are not too numerous) quite some commitment.
Anyway, hope you had fun with all the comments - lots of them coming in these days.
Best. Post. Ever. On the whole Internet.
You have said the right things about their ads...
We all know the apple brand is for us, the "rebels"... we stand for freedom of expression.
We are with you.
In fact I do not see anything bad in your writings, I have seen many news (leaks like) in other blogs, and they´re still there.
Do not Leave us FSJ!!!
Nice job - you bastard. :) It wasn't until I noticed that you posted your breakfast meeting comments at 2am that I realized you spoofed me.
Still, I have to respect such a good spoof. I guess most of us just got punked in a major way.
I just updated the wikipedia entry on Tony Clifton :-)
Dude, a couple of days ago during the ugly sweater contest I asked you to go back to channeling the Steve.
Said you were losing your focus,
Asked you to dare to be da STEVE!
I see you found your way back,
Nice, very Nice
ROTLF ... Best post ever!
Actually, I think Fake Dan Lyons's point of this spoof was to show us how Apple's hatred of bloggers can hit close to home.
Did you personally care about ThinkSecret? No, me neither. Never read it, didn't even know anything about it until last week. But the EFF giving the seal of approval to what happened to ThinkSecret becomes very real when you see how the exact same precedent could be (real or, in this case, not) applied to something you DO enjoy, the FSJ site.
Anyway, good job Real Dan Lyons, but I look forward to the place where your impersonation of Steve Jobs and my entertainment become one.
Your recent post about Fake Larry's dick pills was comedy gold! I was laughing on the bus while reading it, with people looking at me like I was nuts (moreso than usual, admittedly).
I am going to assume this is for real. If so, I can only admire the two rock solid, huge gonads you carry my friend. Turning down half a million dollars?! As you said in your post "words fail me".
I hope you made the right decision. I really wish you the best, blog or no blog.
If you have a chance to reconsider, take the money.
FSJ/Dan talks at Google:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLpxX9vqr5c
Watch and understand.
great post! "its ghandi, man! he's like 99% jesus!" heise online - a big german tecinfo publisher - thinks its for real or is it...not?!?!?!?
Next time you see that bum Clifton, tell him that I'm looking for him.
I guess Dan's point is the ThinkSecret affair. He's on the wrong side - for once, Apple is completely right on.
I don't work for Apple but I do work for a high-tech company. If some employee was leaking informing on our upcoming products to the press, I sure would want to know who it is.
And I think it is completely reasonable to ask the blogger (who doesn't mind hurting my company) who from my company leaked that information. The blogger has information about a serious legal matter and he should reveal it.
I cannot understand why this simple concept seems to be beyond the understanding of so many people.
And I thought Frank Capra and Jimmy Stewart were no longer with us. Silly me.
HMMMM...
A major clue to all was that FIRST entry to an earlier post (by one of the anonymi) calling this "the Andy Kaufman of blogs" -- and then the whole thing ends up Kaufman-esque?
Doubtful that Fake, himself, suddenly took that as a plan on how to end it. More likely Fake faked a fake entry. Not that there's anything wrong with that (hey, recursion is as recursion does!). But it does commit one to read future -- and re-read past -- anonymous posts in rather a new light.
So, Mr. Fake, if that is your real name, you done this befooooore?
- Alliteratively, Anon.
Dude, you did good not taking the money!!!!!
It really pisses me off that a company that trades on it's pseudo "be different" reputation, and who would be the first to yell fascist at other motherfuckers, want to buy you off like some fuckin' banana republic bullshit. What a bunch of hypocrite douche bags to send some cocksucker out with his tiny gentle glasses and try to nuance you into dishonesty.
They backed off the lawsuit because they realized that they need to do damage control. Your job now is fuckin' finish 'em off!!
Yes, it's a joke. But to those of you who are annoyed with Fake Steve because you've been duped, you should understand that it's not simply a joke for its own sake. It is, like the rest of the site, SATIRE. Specifically, it's satire of the ThinkSecret case, and in order for it to be effective satire in this particular case, he had to step out of the Fake Steve character and pretend to be speaking as himself. Reread the "Breakfast with an Apple Lawyer" post -- he makes his point about the troubling implications of the ThinkSecret case more effectively, it seems to me, than he could have any other way. So, like the best satire, it's both a funny joke and a serious commentary. If he fooled some of us for a while, so what -- we should be able to laugh at ourselves as well. (And the Tony Clifton reference was genius.)
Seriously, take the money. Buy your wife and kids a nice christmas gift.
Then go and hire some 16 year old geek in eastern europe to buy web space and a domain and post in his name.
3 joints a week and 100 bucks a month and that he'll be hand carving your mobo.
This whole spoof has been fucking awesome. I've never seen so much emotional outpouring in the comments threads. I'm stunned at the emotional investment that people have in a fake blog, and even a faked takedown of the fake blog. What a commentary on contemporary American society. People threatening to never buy Apple again. Get serious. When Apple turns into the Borg, I'll stop buying too, but please, base your decision on more than some guy whose raison d'être is to yank your chain.
I figured out why you americans hate the French so much. The French are masters of nuance, and as your fearless leader, Dumbya Bush showed, you folks suffer from binary objectivity (it's a black and white world; "you're with us or you're against us"). Get a fucking grip people. If this site is too subtle for you, go back to watching soap operas. Sheesh.
I think the two biggest clues as to the nature of this "shut down FSJ" thread are these:
1. Tony Clifton
2. The pict of Andy Kaufman wrestling a woman
Tony Clifton was a name Andy Kaufman used when impersonating a vegas lounge singer. We all know the wresting bit Andy did was like all pro wrestling: fake.
The Shut Down thread is fake. And brilliant, just like Andy was.
Good one, Danny boy!
ah...you almost had me believing you. this post, as spectacular as it was, gave it away. i hope you aren't writing this in to be the end of the blog, i really hope you aren't....im just watching your speech at Google on YouTube, some amazing stuff, so funny, please dont let it stop
Whoops! High alert brought me back - thanks to my cherubs out there.
Having read this chapter in saga AND everyone else's comments, I'd like to
Firstky, quote a significant something from deep within your recent post
Secondzy, reply with a passage from Neil Stephenson's In The Beginning Was The Command Line ...,
Third-like, if you post this response, everyone will hopefully read this, compare, and realize what Apple, Inc has been, is now and will always be.
Fake Steve Jobs wrote ...
I go, Look, even if you're not a nice guy, even if you have nothing but a little tiny black piece of coal for a heart, can't you see why it's a lousy idea for Apple to pay reporters to go dark? Do you not realize how Putin-esque this is? And okay, sure, in Russia they're a bit less sophisticated and they just kill the reporters they don't like, so maybe you get points for being more civilized but do you really not get why this is a bad idea for you? Really? Because even if there are people who are willing to take the money and shut down, even if Nick Ciarelli really did want to shut down his blog, do you not realize how incredibly awful it looks for you to attach the payment of money to the shutdown of a blog? Do you realize what a terrifying precedent this sets?
Think about your brand. What does Apple stand for? It's about freedom. It's about independence. It's about people who think different. The crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. Maybe I'm an idiot but I actually believed that stuff. I guess I'm naive. I really wanted to believe that you meant that stuff, and maybe by wanting to believe in that I allowed myself to get duped.
But you guys put Martin Luther King Jr. in your ads. And John Lennon. You had Gandhi in your ads. Gandhi, dude. Think about that. Think about what Gandhi did in his life, what he stood for, the price he paid for freedom of expression. You drag out a symbol like that, it's a pretty loaded reference, isn't it? It's a pretty powerful metaphor. I mean Gandhi is not just some celebrity dipshit singer like John Mayer. He's not some guy you'd trot out just to flog a product. You drop the G-bomb and you're trying to say something about the kind of company you aspire to be. But now you're paying off reporters to stop writing about you? What the fuck has happened to you guys?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Neil Stephenson, from CLASS STRUGGLE ON THE DESKTOP, In The Beginning Was The Command Line
But even from this remove it was possible to glean certain patterns, and one that recurred as regularly as an urban legend was the one about how someone would move into a commune populated by sandal-wearing, peace-sign flashing flower children, and eventually discover that, underneath this facade, the guys who ran it were actually control freaks; and that, as living in a commune, where much lip service was paid to ideals of peace, love and harmony, had deprived them of normal, socially approved outlets for their control-freakdom, it tended to come out in other, invariably more sinister, ways.
Applying this to the case of Apple Computer will be left as an exercise for the reader, and not a very difficult exercise.
It is a bit unsettling, at first, to think of Apple as a control freak, because it is completely at odds with their corporate image. Weren't these the guys who aired the famous Super Bowl ads showing suited, blindfolded executives marching like lemmings off a cliff? Isn't this the company that even now runs ads picturing the Dalai Lama (except in Hong Kong) and Einstein and other offbeat rebels?
It is indeed the same company, and the fact that they have been able to plant this image of themselves as creative and rebellious free-thinkers in the minds of so many intelligent and media-hardened skeptics really gives one pause. It is testimony to the insidious power of expensive slick ad campaigns and, perhaps, to a certain amount of wishful thinking in the minds of people who fall for them. It also raises the question of why Microsoft is so bad at PR, when the history of Apple demonstrates that, by writing large checks to good ad agencies, you can plant a corporate image in the minds of intelligent people that is completely at odds with reality. (The answer, for people who don't like Damoclean questions, is that since Microsoft has won the hearts and minds of the silent majority--the bourgeoisie--they don't give a damn about having a slick image, any more then Dick Nixon did. "I want to believe,"--the mantra that Fox Mulder has pinned to his office wall in The X-Files--applies in different ways to these two companies; Mac partisans want to believe in the image of Apple purveyed in those ads, and in the notion that Macs are somehow fundamentally different from other computers, while Windows people want to believe that they are getting something for their money, engaging in a respectable business transaction).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Peace be with you all and may the platform of your choice go with you - Lastangelman
I love how people are acting like this post "gave it away". People, there were hints from the very first post that the entire thing was satire...
Brilliant.
What a ride, these last couple days. I never would have thought an Apple blog could be so entertaining.
What a tribute to Andy.
I DO sincerely hope the blog continues.
I'm buying your book right after I post this. Your talent deserves support!
p.s. no, I'm not Daniel's brother, friend, publisher, or anything else. Just an amused reader.
No, anonymous at 2:32 p.m., a company's speculative loss of competitive business advantage does not trump the First Amendment. The remedy is to hire employees who don't leak information, not to trample on the Bill of Rights by shutting down the press. It was their own employee who disclosed the information, and that's where they should look to put a stop to it.
So is this real? Is apple really shutting down FSJ? I've read the posts and all the comments but can't believe this is happening. I'm donating all my apple products to charity and buying a Dell. dude.
I really hope this is the end of this blog and this ending is just its death whimper.
The i-got-it-along-tards, that is those who were SO silent on the first few posts, but now feel compelled spew forth,"duh, wankbreath, it's satire, ya know, dude", after and only after Dan Lyons had bopped us all on our collective heads, failed to miss the fact that the blog is called Fake Steven Jobs, not Fake Dan Lyons.
He's topped off this silly waste of time with an Andy Kaufman reference. Yeah, when's the cookies and milk coming, Dan? But in reality he is making a point to us, or Apple, or the Think Secret kid about how bad this whole deal was, blah , blah, blah. Why the fuck he could not do it as FSJ and had to go down this whole FDL route baffles me.
Maybe the real issue is that the Think Secret kid walks away a few shekels and Dan gets bupkiss. After all when it comes to choosing between journalistic integrity in a BLOG, for fucks sake and taking the money and running, who couldn't use the exercise?
Best fucking post yet :D
OK, Stevie, well done! You called the dudes out on the carpet for their paranoid behavior and shamed them. Good for you. Continue to walk upright. Peace out.
Truely the masterpiece of Fake Steve Jobs, insanely great!
My deepest respect and karma points to you, Daniel Lyons!
Freedom??? Dude, you are CHAINED to this blog. There's no freedom here for you, man. You're a slave to your own creation.
Most enjoyable stuff I've ever read. Tony Clifton, the G-bomb, Siooma...ahahaha.
What happens when a "speculative" loss turns into a real loss, based on disclosure of confidential inside information provided by an employee who is under nondisclosure?
Is it ethical for a journalist to knowingly publish confidential inside information which can cause material damage to a company's bottom line/competitive position?
Does first amendment allow me to publish trade secrets divulged to me by friends who have signed nondisclosures? Sure. Is it right? How many millions of dollars damage might I do to a US company?
Don't journalists live by a code of ethics? How about bloggers?
Fake Steve morphed into Fake Dan Lyons without preamble. Was that fair to the reader? It would appear there are no rules for internet bloggers . . . reader beware.
Whatever people say this "saga" was a brilliantly executed piece of writing, in fact you got me pretty much until the point you revealed it.
Very, very good my friend, keep it coming please, even if they do sue :-)
boom!
FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND?!!?
As they say on that ABC gameshow: TAKE THE DEAL!!
Yeah, we luv ya, mwah, but a guy's gotta eat.
Besides, there are plenty of others out there who will step in -- and then it'll be *your* turn to laugh at *them* -- while you cruise along the superhighway in Dubai or wherever...
This thing is going to go down in interweb history. Brilliant stuff Dan. Keep it going over the xmas break - please!
Hey Dan, I'm honored to have "contributed" to the blog through my Andy Kaufman ur-comment, yes really posted from my mom's G4 PowerBook in Evanston, IL, yesterday at 10:25am. Keep me posted on any settlement updates, bokay?
Dude, fucking awesome man. I thought you were gonna sell out on us, but you fucking stuck with it. I'm behind you all the way man, have an awesome year.
Much as I enjoy FSJ, and would admire you for not taking the money, boy, take the money and run man. A half mill for NOT working on this blog. You're cool in my book either way.
To anonymous at 4:27 p,m. Here's Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart, writing for the majority in the Pentagon Papers case in 1971:
“We are asked, quite simply, to prevent the publication by two newspapers of material that the Executive Branch insists should not, in the national interest, be published. I am convinced that the Executive is correct with respect to some of the documents involved. But I cannot say that disclosure of any of them will surely result in direct, immediate, and irreparable harm to our Nation, or its people. That being so, there can under the First Amendment be but one judicial resolution of the issues before us.”
This is the standard for national security, which presumably outweighs a private business's ability to make a profit when balanced against the First Amendment.
You need to appreciate the importance of a free press to the functioning of a free society. The distinction between the Think Secret site and the printed press is trivial, consisting only of the medium. Both Think Secret and the printed press publish, or published, news to a general audience.
*Love* the blatant Kaufmann refs ;)
We've been comparing the whole thing to something Andy would pull all week.
The way I see it:
- If it was real, by now there would probably be some sort of "yes it is real, Apple is seriously being this mean to me" post from FSJ somewhere, to ensure his beloved audience he's not kidding
- If it was not real, there could not be any "nah I'm just kidding" post anywhere because that would spoil the joke
So, you do the math :-)
(Maybe impersonating a legal department of a big corporation is playing with fire, but still...)
Hehe, made me giggle. Not your writing alone, although funny in and of itself, but the utter confusion of your commenters. Good times.
Absolutely brilliant series, Dan -- sorry, I mean FSJ. I really had my doubts that this blog could continue to be awesome with your identity revealed, but you've proven me a total frigtard.
Hey, loser.
You owe me a MacBook.
I shipped mine to Steve Jobs with my protest letter.
Like many others you didn't understand there was a new character, Fake DL, speaking in those posts. Many believed it to be Real DL. It appeared he had stepped out of his usual character (FSJ) and was speaking directly to the readers.
And this was very confusing, as Real DL had spoken before on the blog (to hawk his book, for example).
Perhaps Real DL is making a point about trusting blogging journalists ? In a round about way, by betraying the trust himself, he indicts Think Secret?
Ok - let's suppose this was a nice hoax... Apple really could sue for this... this is defamation, plain and simple, because up until this last post (or maybe even after it), a "reasonable person" (as defined by courts) could not be expected to surmise that the author was joking about the threats. So this may very well constitute defamation/libel.
Brilliant. Such power in the words you write it's impossible to describe.
Bravo!
HEY PEOPLE. he HAD to post as the real 'DL' to make the satire work. how would it make sense to continue being FSJ and pretend to have Apple shutting down their own fearless leader's blog?
jesus tits you people are really retarded sometimes.
Anonymous said...
Ok - let's suppose this was a nice hoax... Apple really could sue for this... this is defamation, plain and simple, because up until this last post (or maybe even after it), a "reasonable person" (as defined by courts) could not be expected to surmise that the author was joking about the threats. So this may very well constitute defamation/libel.
5:52 PM
I suppose that needed to be said. I thought about that too.
That's why I think this situation is real. The forth wall has been taken down throughout this, obviously. If people still think there is a forth wall, what, Apple is threatening Steve Jobs? No!
But with all that has been said, it can be viewed as slander, if it's false. Would Dan risk that? I doubt it, because I don't think anybody would risk that. And I'm not talking about the whole defamation of character that could be argued here, I'm talking strictly about Apple making threats, and offering money, etc...
And a person apparently emailed RSJ himself. Is it really that easy to email him? Wow! Why not call up Cupertino and ask for him.
Daniel's got Slashdot commenters in an uproar too, I notice.
Naughty, naughty!
I can just imagine Dan laughing his ass off right now! Awesome.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow. All I can say is wow.
Those arguing how this is defamation or libel...let it fucking go! Steve Jobs and Katie or whoever the hell answers their email realized it's a joke when they see one, YOU SHOULD TOO.
Oh wait. You're an idiot. My bad.
To all the apple fanboys, DL IS AN APPLE FANBOY. DON'T WORRY, THEY'LL BE OK.
Problem is the "real DL" had previously posted "straight". Readers were blindsided when he, as real DL, then wrote about a "fake" legal action from Apple.
As real DL he had built a trust and credibility with the readers.
Now when he posts as DL he can't be trusted to be anything other than another fictional character ??
DL has broken a rule of fiction. When the author speaks to us (in the preface or postlogue of a book, for example) we have been conditioned to expect straight writing -- the truth, not a blurring of it.
That's why this whole thread is so stunning. DL is a published novelist. He understands the rules of POV, and maintaining the trust of his readers.
Granted he has "broken the rules" on many fronts . .. but this one is a biggie.
Dammit! Don't you ever fold? They've got you by the balls, and you know it, because I, Woz, the inventor of all that is Apple, put them up to it and sold you out. I hate you Fake Steve! I hate you! But dammit, now I'm even feeling sorry for you. I feel your plight fake Steve, and I weep with your fans at my villainous treason.
Forgive me FSJ, forgive me. Please, please just take the money and stop this torture!
Well played sir. You got me.
This will only make you stronger. :-)
oh my god, that is so unfair that apple is sueing you! i thought satire was protected under the 1st amendment?! well, i, for one, won't be buyng any more apple products. i'm so pissed i might even write Rsj an email!
wow....you are stronger than i am.... $500,000 is alot of money....I would of caved.
PROPS TO YOU!
We need more people like you in this world!
well, i was going to say, well played, sir, well played!" but, satire or no, i say siooma that noise.
what did i tell you? what did i friggin' tell you from day 1? don't take any guff from these swine! even more important, don't talk to the lawyers, let their calls ring through, until RSJ hisself shows up on your door step, and even then, hold out for even more.
you putz. $500k? chump change. chump change, i tellz ya. walking around money. you could have had so much more. you coulda been someone, you coulda been a contender, insteada a bum which is what you are. bum.
putz! schmuck! schmendrick! schmuck (again)! double-schmuck!
i was poised with the guys at hand, ready to cause a few well placed "accidents" to give you the competitive edge (a few apple trucks lose their way off the road, right before christmas ... apple lawyers usually have a too rich diet, one is found dead in his office of untraceable causes ... sad, but it happens, yanno, the usual stuff). but now, i don't know if they're gonna wanna do anything for some schlamiel who doesn't know his pud from a butter knife and who doesn't learn from those who know from the art of the deal and rattles off like some bratty college kid about friggin' gandhi, when a real c.e.o. would make his point and walk away with all the money.
i don't even know if i can take your calls any more. this is how much the guys are disappointed.
we'll give you one last shot to make this good. we're waiting. and the guys aren't very patient.
I'm going to expose all this as a fake story line on MY blog, but I'll cease & desist for $500,000 and a bacon cheeseburger.
Throw in Bike Helmet Girl too.
awesome!
Though no one commentards have touched on the whole point of this series of posts:
WHICH IS TO SELL BOOKS!!!
It worked, DL. I just stepped out of Borders Singapore with the only copy of oPtion$ in this country. Blowing my hard-earned USD30! (the US dollar may not be doing well, Borders somehow tacks on another $7 to the printed price of $22.95)
With the increased publicity from these posts, $500k is achievable through book sales.
I am rooting for ya DL. BUY people! BUY!!!
Happy Holidays!!!
You deserve every cent you get.As an anon critic of scientology, I really appreciate your comment:
"And oh by the way do you not also realize that you could put a lot of this stuff to rest simply by announcing product roadmaps instead of living under the cone of silence and locking yourselves down like some kind of weird Scientology cult and threatening to ruin people who write about you?"
That's priceless!
So Dan Lyons is Andy Kaufman? Am I the only one who sees it.
I was prepared to believe this whole thing was real, but then you insulted John Mayer. I wept for what seemed like hours, and that cleared my mind so that I realized you *had* to be kidding. About the Mayer thing at least. Boy, was I relieved.
A headline that will get your attention:
Shock news: Fake Steve Jobs is Bill Gates’ love child
http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/12/23/shock-news-fake-steve-jobs-is-bill-gates-love-child/
Really gotta go with your lawyer on this one... Take the money and run!!
At first, you know, my feelings hurt, Imitation Jobs, with reference to word "Putin-esque." I become upset. Very upset, Imitation Jobs, because I have never stooped to such tactics as employed by Apple Legal. Never.
So I am smashing through certain objects with bare fist -- did you know I am 6th dan black belt in Russian martial art? -- when translator tells me, "-esque" is French suffix, meaning "like," and "Putain" is also French word, meaning woman of ill repute. Is often used as interjection, such as Putain! or Putain de merde! So he is explaining, must be error of typing, as you mean to type "Putain-esque," meaning to take Apple money is "like woman who sells herself on corner of streets."
Is then anger subsides. Da, must be mistake.
Also, to clarify point, reporters sometimes die in Russia, but is only reporters who are tellings lies. Russia is proud to have free, independent presses, and two different channels TV, which do not censor.
Is true, sometimes irresponsible, so-called journalist, have been known to upset rich and powerful persons in New Russia, and such spreadings of lies have regrettable but predictable consequences which could be described as, how you say? "extra-judicial." Outside of courts. But do not mistake efficiency, lack of bribes, lack of lawyers, etc. for lack of "sophistication." Is just more efficient: one speaks truth as journalist in Russia, or one is dead. Is simple, no? Is superior to situation in your country, with multiple intrigues, influences of money on journalists, court dealings, secret lawsuits, influences of advertisers on news outlets. How can one have правда, Truth, in decadent society poisoned by monies, pursuits of dollars above all else?
In Russia, journalist who have habit of lying often forced to give up habit of breathing. You say is "unsophisticated." But is simple. In America, journalist who have habit of lying, get book deal, sell film rights, become famous and rich. Is not so?
Jayson Blair, is commanding much money for lectures now. Stephen Glass, much money from film on his life. Janet Cooke? Rights to her story, purchased for over million dollars U.S.
And is why you are so loved in Russia, Imitation Jobs, because you speak truth. Unlike American journalists, Imitation Jobs not afraid to speak truth of Faceberg, Borg, Google. Even "Goatberg," who is mouthpiece for famous Wall Street Journal. Imitation Jobs dares to speak truth!
Perhaps you will see, it is my hope, though Russia may appear to be unsophisticated, Russia is pure and simple, like virginal country girl, not sophisticated, world-weary, money-loving, diseased putain from America. Russia loves Imitation Jobs, and all speakers of truth.
After more dealings with "sophisticated" Apple lawyers, perhaps Imitation Jobs has more respects for simple, straightforward nature of Russian peoples, nyet?
I do not think Imitation Jobs is foolish to turn down Apples money. However, to stay at Four Seasons in New York, not order famous Lemon Ricotta pancakes, is foolish. Almost as good as blini which Lyudmila make!
Brilliant FSj, simply brilliant!
After re-reading all of your posts on this matter, it is pretty clear to me that your basic idea was to write a more personal response to the Think Secret-gate scandal.
I especially enjoyed your last few paragraphs, you really nailed it. Regardless of whether Nick wanted to shut down his blog or not, paying off writers to stop writing about a company sets a bad precedent.
This was a great Xmas present... thanks FSJ!
F
vladimir_putin... man, you gotta get your own blog! That as f*****n hillarious!
Yes, I know it's a ruse, but it got me to thinking about what my sellout price would be. If I were RDL, a half mil would move me up from my bungalow on Dudley Street in Roxbury to a respectable neighborhood in, say, Swampscott. Or maybe Natick. Not bad for a hobby blogger to cool his heels.
I live in the Bay Area; I've targeted Portola Valley so the kids could ride their horses to school. Forget those pretentious, new money Atherton hilllbillies. (Look kids, there's Jethro and Ellie May partying with Larry E by the cement pond!)
It'd take at least at least four mil and a shiny new Mazerati from that showroom on El Camino I pass by on my way to the Safeway at Sequoia Station before I STFU. Provided of course, that I had something *really* important to say in the first place.
Which is the whole point. Blogs are gossip columns. The FSJ blog is very entertaining and is the first thing I read online everyday. There are truths, humorous personal attacks and wild speculations. Sorting it all out takes broad perspective. RDL adds a hell of a lot of value in pointing out our own gullibilities (and we are a collective gullible lot, given the recent commenting frenzy).
Santa has just delivered a clue-by-four in our stockings. Time to put it to good use. Namaste to all, and to all a Good Night!
Oh man, I laughed so hard I almost peed my pants.
I have a blog and I've gotten a little bored with it recently! I was thinking about not just posting any more, but after I read your post "Breakfast with an Apple lawyer," I've decided I won't shut it down till somebody pays me $500K to do so ... hee ... maybe I can stay unemployed awhile longer!
Listen, Jobso. You gotta answer your cell. I've been calling all day. Me and McNealey and Squirrel-Boy are heading down to Buck's for pancakes. You in?
If they offered $500K in a hotel room and diss'd the senior associate at the firm, then it means that they can afford well into 2 to $3 million. I suggest you force them to make a settlement that would involve:
a) Apologizing for their behavior
b) Asking the law firm to explain how they intend to discipline the "out of control" attorney who went astray, and that their fine law firm is NOT all about that type of behavior
c) Dedicate at least $5 million cash to a charitable fund, for the express purpose of protecting free speech (and whose directors would be chosen by you... and which would be paying you a stipend of at least, um, let's say $50K per year)
d) Ask the law firm to donate at least the amount they paid their entire legal team dedicated to this mis-hap to the same fund.
e) Ask the Bar to look into the behavior
Ask a good Sarbanes Oxley expert if this is actionable since execs knew about it
f) Alert fund managers (the folks who control Wall Street) that this is an actionable and reportable "corporate behavior" item, relative to their investment criteria. Some large fund managers pledge to refrain from purchasing stock in companies that are found to be pracicing unethical or possibly illegal, but certainly un-American and anti-free speech behavior (caution, sell your Apple Stock first, or buy a big pile of put options)
g) find out which social groups, clubs and charitable groups the senior attorney's wife participates in, in their local community. Send a letter to each and every one of the directors and leaders of said organizations with the plain facts of the situtation (you will need legal advice here, to ensure that you are merely reporting facts, not slandering or otherwise bending or exagerating facts)... Do the same with the executive committee of the law firm, by digging into each of the managing partners... their wives' social and community work is typically not hidden, and is all over the place... thus, they are easy to find. I feel that if law firms that bullied writers in this way were "outed" to their spouses, this would end pretty fast.
Just think of the conversations:
"honey, is this true what they wrote about what you are doing to this writer??? And if so, would you please take care of this immediately!!!"
If it's just a game to the partners at the law firm now, and if they are just taking Apple's money to bully you around now... think what a "hot room" it will become for all of the community-minded and good-works, and good-causes spouses when they discover that their husbands are up to such testosterone-induced hijinx.
:)
Let the women in the village mete out the justice to those who deserve it.
No matter how hard boiled the law firms are, this will force them to cave. They don't want to resign the Apple account, so they will "find" some graceful way to convince the RSJ that this is a non-winnable case in the public eye as well as in the courts...
Again, just tell the truth... but make sure the right people hear it.
So when Apple refuses to open that big charity account to boost free speech, they will probably go away.
If they come to the table with the big five mil, then figure out how to keep writing, but change your focus to another CEO or create a totally fictional character, just have everyone in on the "pseudonym." George Elliot, yeah, that's it.
:)
Signed,
The Fake George Elliot
Hey man, I dont really care if what you've posted are real or not. It made my freaking day.
I hate Apple since day 1, I never ever got any Apple shit cuz I knew all their stuff are garbage.
but I just cant believe Apple still exist today ... I have no idea why. I guess there are too many of those *think different morons* out there ... more than *normal* people like us.
Keep the blog, Fuxk Apple.
Hi, I've never posted here before, but I am a regular reader of your blog. I am a 16 year old student and I own a MacBook Pro, and like many of the cult of mac, love it. I watch every Steve keynote, and have huge respect for him.
However, I think free speech is something huge, and I respect you immensely for standing up like that. Apple has just lost a huge fan, and even though I will continue using their computers, I've just lost my fanboyism for them.
Apple, you are doing something terribly wrong here.
Keep it up and a very merry christmas,
Ken
Ken - You idiot. This is SATIRE It's NOT real.
hey FSJ, i totally love you man. this sense of childlike wonder you gave us is priceless. youve made the right decision.
kevin: .
bhg is going to far. you're asking for a visit from moshe.
Shouldn't we all be, um, wrapping gifts or spending time with close friends and our loved ones? I'm sure RDL is and laughing his ass off at the mass hysteria he created. Snicker...
DL has broken a rule of fiction. When the author speaks to us (in the preface or postlogue of a book, for example) we have been conditioned to expect straight writing -- the truth, not a blurring of it.
That's why DL mentioned Tony Clifton, and posted a picture of Andy Kaufman.
Kaufman was famous for not breaking character. When he went on interviews as Tony Clifton... the interviewer had to treat him like the character. Kaufman would NOT break character.
So that's "real" Dan Lyons' way of telling us that, if you read it on the blog, it's part of the ficticious universe the blog created.
So don't get mad, because he has dropped enough hints for you to get it. The "rule" you cite isn't a "rule". The only rule is that the author sets his rules. The only bad form is when the author then starts breaking the rules he has set. So... again, that's why DL has dropped his hints: he is establishing that particular "rule" (that the blog is not going to feature his "real" voice, that he will also be a character on the blog to a certain extent).
chickon at 9:30 pm dribbled on —
"I hate Apple since day 1, I never ever got any Apple shit cuz I knew all their stuff are garbage.
but I just cant believe Apple still exist today ...
yeah, and your windows spell & grammar checker is obviously doing a stellar job for you. get out of the catskills, much, jethro?
For all those who still think this isn't fake, DL made it very clear with his timeline...
In his previous post, he's at a dinner party Saturday night. On Sunday morning, he submits this post at 2:08 am, supposedly *after* the morning meeting with the lawyer who took a red-eye from CA.
This is where it breaks down... it'd be impossible for the lawyer to fly out from Cupertino, arrive in NY, taxi to the hotel, check in, order room service, and have a "morning" meeting with DL.
Red-eyes mean you fly all night and arrive in the morning. Even if the plane departed at 8 pm, he would arrive around 1 or 2 am, thus making DL's timeline impossible.
And would they really have coffee and pastries at one o'clock in the morning?
jsg @ 11:24 pm —
never read much much tom robbins, eh? or even cowgirls get the blues? author writes himself right into the story, as both narrator and character. so did in breakfast of champions.
i feel like marshall macluhan, brought out from behind the theater sign by woody allen to show these people what dolts they are.
siooma is not the gandhi way of an answer - but you are right. u stupid one ;o)
greetings from germany
stefan
You guys laugh, but Tony Clifton has his hands in a lot of things. He's a very well rounded individual. I wouldn't be surprised if he wins thins thing for FSJ.
RDL, the storyline you set up was breathtakingly brilliant. As a new reader: Namaste, and then some.
I'm not surprised some missed the satire, but I'm amazed by the number of people who believe that a company should be allowed to put a price on freedom of the press.
There's always a risk in "pulling a fast one" on your readers, but speaking both as FSJ and RDL was needed to convey your message, and I'm glad you were ballsy enough to portray the story the way you did.
I only started reading your blog this week... think I'll stick around.
Now that we all had a big laugh and drama...now it is time to pay the piano player..
How much time was wasted by "real" Steve Jobs over this, and "Katie" at Apple responding to all these dramatized emails?
What is the going rate for a CEO and creative engineer these days?
$1000 a minute, 25K an hour? Looks like Fake Steve might be walking into Apple's billing department with a suitcase to cover extra "blog" respone expenses. Joking.
Many American Corps have screwed a lot of America the past decade or more-I know of dozens around Chicagoland/IL I've seen lay off and take off, skeptical myself with many companies.
But we really need to be discerning with companies, and not just burn all at the stake at any false accusation, esp Apple.
Look what Apple is REALLY doing for America and the World. Creating new retail stores and JOBS at a record pace all over the World-Many new stores all around Chicago.
Creating new Tech products, keeping America competitive, or even at pace with the Pacific Rim, or other European companies.(No, I do NOT work for Apple)
Some claiming to be Apple fans sure dumped them pretty quick at any accusation from a fake steve jobs site, that is pretty harsh. They deserve some thanks.
Protecting their trade secrets? OK, anyone old enough to understand the history of Apple and stolen technology, the gui, Microsoft, trade secrets? I'd sign that and live by it in an instant to work with tech professionally on a daily basis in the "valley".
Apple deserves credit where credit is due. In creating Jobs, retail stores, innovative standard setting techonolgy to keep up with Japan, and a full- user computing experience.
This while going through a very stagnent economy-that is impressive in itself.
To all who didn't get it, line up and give RSJ and Katie a big fat smootch on the behiind, and apologize. They are great sports!
While I am assuming (don't any of you wise ass punks say it!) this blog is winding down, it is going out on a spectacular note, with a great jab at what Apple's underlying fault is (also remember, it is as repugnant behavior wise as Microsoft - imagine living under both a hardware AND a software monopoly, no matter how superficially benevolent said monopoly appears to be - it is as evil, cold and callous, perhaps even more sinister than the Borg - iBrick, anyone?) in regards to its behaviour towards users, fans and critics, not to mention business partners and developers.
In meanwhile, Google is setting all chess pieces in place to become The NeXT Borg. Resistance will be futile - you WILL be assimilated - and it will be virtually irresistible.
Dare I say it - bokay, you heard it here first!
Very nice christmas story :)
Okay I'm really really really confused.
F'ing brilliant, RDL!
Though I think from now on you should tell interviewers that you got an MFBA (Mutha Fookin' BAD Ass) degree, instead of ye ole' liberal artsy MFA.
Truly. You are to Blogging, what RSJ is to Technology:
Con- for pulling the naivetards heart strings.
Artist- in the Picasso sorta way for creating a Blogospheric House of Mirrors (is it real? is it satire?)
Con Artist- in the Steve Jobs sorta way (What was it Jobs said about Picasso?)
Genius- For writing satire I never knew I wanted to read.
May your Option$ sales be fruitful.
Peace and Namaste RDL.
I am totally busted - wading in with lectures about 'how' Real Dan Lyons does and does not operate.
The brilliance, the weird genius on so many levels, of what has been achieved, is so grand that I am delighted to have been part of it, rather than feel like, well...a dickwad commentard. I am one of the sophisticated ones, for crying out loud! I scoff at the language-correctors, I know Latin/French an more.
I just love the blog.
I think maybe it's best than trying to explain I just say, this is very impressive. I hope you keep writing.
The next step may be to do a Fake Bill Gates.
From the Dictionary and Thesaurus app on Mac OS X Tiger:
satire
noun
the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices...
Maybe Apple should ponder a little on that entry in their own app and indeed, your post - Juvenal would be proud of you, FSJ.
Keep the flag flying, merry Xmas and don't have too much mescaline in your eggnog, bokay?
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